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<0> Cancel: what's he point of a firewall if there are no open ports except the public services that are running, and what's the point of having a firewall if a box can be cracked using the regular public services ?
<1> ...
<0> I hope you understand my point
<2> Al-Ashtar: the same reason you have locks on doors
<2> Al-Ashtar: you can break teh window and hot wire teh car
<2> Al-Ashtar: so why have locks
<2> why have keys to the locks
<2> why lock your door at all when the theif can go through the closed window
<2> use your head on that one
<0> locks are put on openings, not on walls without openings
<0> think of it this way
<0> a door is public service port
<2> if you dont understand the why there....
<0> and the key is your authentication
<0> people without keys (user accounts) can not enter your door (use the public service)
<2> and folks on the box and behind the wall can open up windows of their own you didnt authoritze
<2> take ssh redirection for example
<1> im going to cool down and immerse my head on a bucket of water for a while ...just like what mozart did when he composed a music..after that i will continue learn samba again
<0> but other than the doors and windows (public services running) what is the use of locks (firewall) ?
<2> just told you one
<2> Al-Ashtar: also prevents rogue services you didnt authorize
<2> and if you honestly do not understand the purpose of the firewall you require more time and patience then I'm spending with you
<0> give me an example of a rogue service
<2> i already did
<2> <2> take ssh redirection for example
<0> that's not a rogue service
<2> user can open and serve on any port about 1024 they want and redirect it to a machine on the inside
<2> and if you dont know what a rogue service is also not spending time with you there
<2> oh say like a user sshing in and starting psybnc on 6667
<0> you started your sentence with "also" as in it's ssh redirection and rogue services, so I'm asking what are the rogue services you're talking about
<2> and if you havent heard of spampots relaying
<2> and other such zombies that phone home then advertise their listening port
<0> how can a user start psybnc if I limit his resources ?
<0> so, to gather your words into one sentence: the purpose of a firewall is to prevent rogue services you didn't authorize.
<2> you seem to thnk so
<2> i suggest you look u pfirewal
<2> and use a more industry standard definition
<0> please enlighten me
<0> that's why I asked you after all
<2> I gave you my suggestion
<2> hmm lets see what an average dictionary says
<0> I don't want my understanding of your opinion
<2> usually firewall /'fI(-)r-"wol/ : computer hardware or software that prevents unauthorized access to private data (as on a company's local area network or intranet) by outside computer users (as of the Internet)
<0> I want your opinion
<2> prevents unauthorizd access
<2> that sums it up
<0> ok then I was right in understanding your opinion
<0> then why did you say "you seem to think so" as in you didn't approve
<2> thats not my opinion thats the definition
<0> stop changing your words continuously
<2> nothing changed
<0> in the beginning I didn't ask for the definition of a firewall
<2> the purpose is in the definition
<2> and i gave you the definition I didnt author it I just went and got it for you because you didnt yourself
<0> I asked what's the purpose of it in you opinion
<0> and you told me
<0> <2> Al-Ashtar: also prevents rogue services you didnt authorize
<2> usually firewall /'fI(-)r-"wol/ : computer hardware or software that prevents unauthorized access to private data (as on a company's local area network or intranet) by outside computer users (as of the Internet)
<2> notice that
<2> prevents unauthorized access
<2> thats right out of mariam websters
<0> so was that pasting from a dictionary or your opinion ?
<0> answer me this
<0> was that pasting from a dictionary or your opinion ?
<2> not interested
<2> as I said before if you do not know what I firewall is for you require more time and patience then I'm devoting to that
<0> heh :)
<1> lets put our head together on the bucket of water ...shall we ?
<2> Al-Ashtar: its 2006 if you really dont know what a firewall is and for turn all of yours off
<2> Al-Ashtar: get back to me in a month or two
<2> i'llb e glad to help you rebuild your boxes
<3> Airliner crashed in Kentucky. 1 known survivor out of 47 p***engers and 3 crew.
<4> Al-Ashtar: Are you trolling?
<0> Cancel: my firewall has been off from the day I installed linux
<0> whythehell: not at all
<1> thats why i hate flying
<3> me too
<2> Al-Ashtar: and you ont have a broadbanr router one in front, doubtful
<2> Al-Ashtar: you and I know you are not just directly open to the internet
<2> good try though
<0> Cancel: no I don't
<3> But it's statistically myriads safer than driving however.
<5> this is weird
<3> Lucien!
<5> i can see my printer in dmesg, i can add the printer with cups, but there is no /dev/lp0 and i cant print
<5> hey _popeye_ !!@
<5> long time
<0> whythehell: I asked for Cancel's opinion on what's the point of a firewall, and I end up with him directing me to a dictionary
<4> If a firewall is defined by its purpose then that seems reasonable.
<2> Al-Ashtar: well it is my opinion the dictionary definition is accurate and the purpose is int he definition
<2> Al-Ashtar: i even gave you example
<0> whythehell: exactly, but he said that's not his opinion. That's just the definition. So I take it he has another opinion of a firewall
<2> Al-Ashtar: well you're free to do that I'm not responsible for your interpretation
<4> If he had another opinion it would clearly be contrary to fact.
<2> whythehell: I even gave him example and even cited my opinion which no brainer contained the same things in the definition
<2> <2> Al-Ashtar: also prevents rogue services you didnt authorize
<2> usually firewall /'fI(-)r-"wol/ : computer hardware or software that prevents unauthorized access to private data (as on a company's local area network or intranet) by outside computer users (as of the Internet)
<0> <0> so, to gather your words into one sentence: the purpose of a firewall is to prevent rogue services you didn't authorize.
<0> <2> you seem to thnk so
<0> that means he doesn't agree with this definition
<2> you seem to think so
<2> and i'm ok with you thinking that as your bad ***umption doesnt change reality
<0> and that's why he suggested "<2> i suggest you look u pfirewal"
<0> :)
<2> i still suggest you look it up
<4> A rogue service is something that makes it possible to have unauthorised access.
<2> ding ding ding
<2> I even gave him examples of such
<1> whats the number to put on swat ... i manage to useswat to config samba ?
<2> dont use swat until you understand whats in your smb.conf
<6> question...is the purpose of this room to discuss linux?
<2> swat dorks up smb.conf's
<5> Al-Ashtar: a netwok firewall prevents unauthorized network access. a personal firewall or a services firewall might prevent unauthorized services
<5> it really depends on the type of firewall
<4> A firewall may also prevent fires from spreading.
<2> has anyone seen the movie firewall
<5> whythehell: yeah. mostly it does that by preventing unauthorized network access
<1> is firewalll called firestart on linux /
<1> firestarte ?
<5> c4bul: thats a frontend to a firewall
<5> firestarter
<1> frontend to a firewall ?
<0> whythehell: and what does the definition of a rogue service have to do with the fact that he did not agree on my understanding of a firewall (which was right) and suggested a dictionary ?
<5> btw, the whole thing thats causing a lot of confusion is firewall as its defined and firewall as what it means now a day
<5> c4bul: a gui, a easy graphical way to configure it.
<6> ...what is the purpose of #linux
<1> suit for a newbie like me
<2> Al-Ashtar: no you say I did not agree sorry you dont get to decide for me what I agree with especially since I flatly told you I agree with the dicdtionary defnition which is why I cited it to you
<5> rogue445: to help people get to grips with linux. and to possibly help people with their problems regarding linux
<0> rogue445: ask Cancel he'll give you his opinion and then deny giving out and telling you to go read a dictionary
<2> Al-Ashtar: actually I told you my opinion agrees with the dictionary definition I posted
<6> ok cool
<1> i was caught in the crossfire ...with random precision
<0> then why the hell did you say "you seem to thnk so" and "i suggest you look u pfirewal"
<6> i am fairly knowlegeable but am new to linux
<2> because you do seem to think so
<6> i am triple booting SuSE and Ubuntu on my XP laptop
<0> Cancel: heh
<2> rogue445: invesnt in a vm
<0> Cancel: you and I know that you did NOT mean it that way
<0> but I'll buy it
<2> Al-Ashtar: you cant tell me what I know I mean you can only do that for yourself
<6> no no no, no vmware
<2> Al-Ashtar: you're not in a position to tell me what I mean or what I know I mean
<6> just using grub haha
<2> rogue445: get a vm
<6> why?
<5> rogue445: you'll like xen then :)
<2> then be in as many as you want at the same time without having to leave the other
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