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<0> You run ubuntu, which always gives you a kernel with every module already built.
<0> daucus_carota: Yeah. That's not hacked. That was IT dude went home with laptop (with permission) and the laptop got stolen.
<0> The laptop was later recovered, btw.
<1> jblack: for the fun of it hehe I want my system to be up2date
<2> it's not like anyone could hurt my credit score any more than it already is
<0> Al-Ashtar: Ok. Well, have it on record that I told you that you're making a mistake and you should stop
<2> Al-Ashtar, you are going to make apt unhappy
<0> you're going to forget to to udev, or screw up dependancies, or not do initrd right, or forget ide support... something..
<1> daucus_carota: only the kernel :(
<0> and you're going to wedge the box.
<3> the kernel is like teh heart of your box
<3> :/ that sounds lame..bah
<0> You missed the "lets all build kernels for fun" era by about 5 years.
<4> I remember those years.
<1> oh come on guys, you're making it harder :/
<4> <sigh>
<2> I would think you should only build a kernel if there's some special case you need to take care of
<3> uh, those years where i was influenced by mandrake dudes
<4> ... as I compile my own kernel. :D
<5> I cannot escape building a kernel (gentoo)
<6> but I use funky stuff...so I need a custom one.
<4> my kernel works... except it hangs when shutting down.
<1> it's all simmy's fault
<1> lol
<4> then it pegs the CPU so it gets REAL hot, burns the battery in a heartbeat, and laughs at me.
<0> ancker.. it doesn't bother me if you make a kernel. Or me, or simmy, or dauc...
<6> i need things like dot1q and ipv6 and funky netfilter stuff, etc etc etc
<0> But al... He's going to sit here and ask 300 Y/n/m questions.
<2> hehe
<0> I bet I can prove it.
<0> Al-Ashtar: ping
<1> pong
<0> Al-Ashtar: Which kernel did you download?
<1> the latest
<0> What version?
<1> linux-2.6.17.4.tar.bz2
<2> 2.6.latest
<2> duh
<5> omg, its at .17 already?
<1> it's .18
<2> I'm at 15.25
<1> me too
<1> 15.25
<5> 2.6.16-ck9 here
<0> And what is in 2.6.17.4 that isn't in 2.6.17.3?
<3> 2.6.16-1.2133 here :D
<6> a sub-sub revision's worth of code.
<1> I'm not using 2.6.17.3
<1> :(
<0> Ok. Well, what are you using?
<1> Linux
<1> Linux Ubuntu 2.6.15-25-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jun 14 11:34:19 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
<0> Ok. So you're jumping from .15 to .17 ?
<1> yeah
<0> Did you check to see if glibc needs upgrading? The udev daemons?
<0> Do you know if, god forbid you have proprietary hardware covered by restricted-modules, they won't work any more?
<3> ubuntu is much like fedora, and in my experience, doing such without MUCH precautions leads to...starting udev..(yeah, thats it) :D
<1> jblack :/
<0> Its your system... so do as you like.
<3> Al-Ashtar: it may sounds rough, but thats it
<3> me with ATI here, and it's just a good option to be left few sub version for few weeks
<3> :)
<1> ok can I tell you something ?
<0> But my advice to you is that you play with something that doesn't render your system inoperable if your experiments fail. :)
<1> ubuntu installs 2.6.15.18 I think
<1> when I upgraded using apt to 2.6.15.25
<0> You can tell me whatever you like.
<1> my laptop became faster
<1> quicker booting
<1> quicker shutdown
<0> Heh. That almost certainly wasn't the new kernel, but the init/shutdown scripts that you upgraded at the same time
<5> how did you measure it?
<1> hell even gnome starts quicker when I login
<3> Al-Ashtar: boot time? try to check your services..it's the best way (better, easier, less risk)
<1> Simpleguy: felt it
<1> it took less time
<0> Al-Ashtar: Did you ever hear the phrase "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink?"
<1> lol
<1> no
<1> maybe the horse isn't thirsty
<1> :/
<0> It means that you can show someone the right way to go, and they may be too stubborn to go the right way. THey'll just stubbornly keep going somewhere they shouldn't.
<0> Me, I think people are smarter than horses.
<0> At least, I like to think so
<0> You've had 5 friends that know more than you tell you that you're ****ing up because you're doing something that you're too new for. Heed the advice. :)
<1> oh come on james :( I'm doing all this linux stuff blindly, why not this part
<0> You'll see.
<2> because if you do it wrong
<2> the only linux thing you'll be doing is a re-install
<5> if you are going to screw around, at least make two entries in your boot loader
<1> even better, that way I'll have an excuse to format the whole hdd for my ubuntu
<1> wait let me backup my doc file
<1> hehe
<5> one for your experimental stuff and one for your working kernel
<1> you guys are scaring me
<0> Al-Ashtar: Don't get us wrong. We _love_ watching train wrecks.
<0> But we like you. And we don't want to see you in a train wreck
<1> LOL
<0> simmy: ping
<1> where do you get your phrases from
<0> The U.S.
<0> In case you haven't notice yet, I'm a simile wrapped in a metaphor.
<0> Al-Ashtar: Anyways, at least make sure you have a live cd ready for when you get in trouble
<1> be pessimistic
<1> ok I backed-up all my important files
<1> I'm going in
<1> cover me
<0> nope.
<1> :(
<5> *covering ears*
<1> heh
<0> If you're going in, Rambo, then you're going in alone with nothing but your longbow and survival knife
<1> and Aspell
<0> Heh. Did I kill the channel again?
<1> **** no one posted the answers to those (NEW) config stuff anywhere
<4> Al-Ashtar : make sure you don't forget --initrd in your make-kpkg commands. :)
<4> if you forget it... your new kernel won't behave like you wnat it to. *laughs*
<1> ok thanks
<1> that's not on the page you gave me, thanks for the tip
<1> simmy: did you upgrade yet ?
<4> not today. Yet. I had some filesystem fixing to do.
<4> jblack : rebooted to a rescue disk, ran fsck. it fixed a hundred little issues. Rebooted. Ran it again. Nothing. Now this build is going as expected (so far)
<1> how would you know the answers to the new config questions
<0> Ok.
<4> if you have that hardware and want support for it... hit Y (for yes) or M for module. Otherwise... use the default.
<0> speaking of self-desctructive behaviour.. I may be gone for a day or two
<1> there is no default
<0> I'm trying a edgy upgarde
<5> jblack, we'll manage the shop, no worries
<4> jblack ?
<1> Support for tracing block io actions (BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE) [N/y/?] (NEW)
<4> Al-Ashtar : the capital one is the default. :)
<4> mother fscker!
<0> Al-Ashtar: Not here.
<4> /dev/hda1 38G 34G 1.6G 96% /
<1> jblack: where is your don't drink this water it has leaches in it or something like that
<4> it still says I don't have enough space.
<0> Al-Ashtar: I've been around for 11 years. I know I can fix my problems. It just may take me awhile. :)
<1> lol
<1> if you're doing this
<1> I'm doing that
<0> Oh, I'm not doing what you're doing.
<1> but you're doing what you told me no to be doing
<1> s/no/not
<0> nope. I'm doing a different kind of sillyness.
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