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<0> i used a suicide cord
<1> oh
<1> better!
<2> ETHERKILLER!
<1> i figured since he wouldnt shush.. i'd help like a tiny bit
<2> ;o
<2> Eh?
<0> i actually have one ;P
<1> noose?
<0> etherkiller
<1> margie: heh
<1> jeian: ;)
<1> heh.
<0> make one.
<0> i did
<1> there are ways to fix people on local networks connections :)
<1> margie is one of those people who kill connections from across the world.. with her 30k net
<1> :P
<2> Interex: If they're running Windows and have a default Administrator p***word, they're mine. :P
<1> jeian: i'd do it with dhcp attack
<1> brb i need to tote some more stuff down to the van
<3> i am burning my ubuntu cd :D
<4> i admit that macs have two default-setup vulnerabilities: dhcp and zeroconf/bonjour
<4> other than that, no way to pwn one from remote
<2> Meh.
<5> wasn't there an entire month full of exploits for the mac not too long ago?
<4> nope
<5> I think there was
<2> I don't want to *damage* their computers, I just want to not hear their music when I have my headphones on.
<5> let me try and find it
<4> basically click this button on a 3rd party app and the app crashes. woopty doo
<6> lets be friends.
<5> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
<5> Month of Apple Bugs
<4> yes.
<4> i think 99% of them are 3rd party apps like VLC and Transmit but they just crash the app..
<5> if you knew about it, why did you just deny it?
<4> do any of them say root level access escalation from remote?
<4> and are they installed by default?
<4> i'm saying out-of-the-box vulnerability, connected directly to the net
<5> Nobody attacks the mac, nobody uses them
<6> you're so negative
<4> poutine: irrelevant that noone attempts to hack over 45 million computer users :)
<6> onbody uses linux either
<1> heh
<1> G-WiZ-: you run a Mac?
<5> where did you get this 45 million number from?
<4> in fact, the first person to successfully pwn a mac remotely out-of-the-box would be an instant worldwide celebrity
<5> you just said there were ways....
<4> poutine: well you just have to add up the sales number for the last ten year
<5> no, that's a BS number then
<0> first thing i did was crack the root p***word and build ipfw....
<1> well, i wouldnt say that really... because SSH has it's vulnerabilities.
<5> you know how many macs I've seen function only as dust collectors?
<4> poutine: okay then my approximation is actually an under-estimate
<1> G-WiZ-: do you run mac os ?
<4> Interex: i own about six, plus i run some linux servers and some windows boxes
<1> ok.
<1> i only have 2 G4 sawtooth, and 2 G3 Yosimitie
<4> Interex: out of the box SSH is disabled, as is the root account
<1> Yes..
<6> g3s and g4s were a big deal back in the day
<5> Mulder, in the scheme of things, nobody does use linux, it just has more exploits than the mac because the systems running linux often have more valuable information
<4> and thats why i say there are likely only two attack vectors on an out-of-the-box mac.. dhcp and zeroconf, on a local subnet
<0> i'd debate that
<6> debate? waste of time
<1> G-WiZ-: do you have 10.4.8 ?
<0> ok bye guys
<4> poutine: thats still a poor excuse for reasons why there are no hacks
<0> lemme know if the things come back
<5> G-WiZ-, not at all
<4> Interex: yes on all of the system i know of
<5> mac users represent way less than 10 percent of home computers
<1> G-WiZ-: i'm only running 10.3.9
<5> their users just are fanboys
<5> that's why you hear about it so often
<6> my next commercial gui os purchase would probably be a mac
<4> poutine: if even 45 million people account for 10% of home users, then does that 45 million not account for anything?
<1> G-WiZ-: i just bought a Quicksilver 733 to put in my Sawtooth.. doing a few mods, so i can use it.. then i'll probably up it to 1.0 until i get the $$ to buy a new mac
<5> when they came out with boot camp (which Apple claimed they'll be charging for soon), I couldn't believe the number of fanboys yelling how it's changing the face of computing, it's a damn bootloader
<1> Quicksilver 733 CPU
<4> i'm not saying "hey everyone go out and buy one" i'm just saying.. there are two possible vectors of attack. thats it
<5> They had darwin open sourced in its infancy and they pretended to be a major player in the open source world, and now they closed down everything
<4> here's the latest mac owner.. intel founder Les Vadasz ..lol http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12568/
<5> they call Vista DRM hell, but they happily play along with Apple's DRM locks
<7> The automatic antenna tuner in this rig is sweet as hell. It can tune my A99 antenna to work from 18-30 MHz.
<5> G-WiZ-, 45 million was a bogus number
<7> I wonder how it will do on my wire antenna.
<4> poutine: okay i was under-estimating sorry
<5> ^ apple fanboy
<1> p3nguin: or your ladder
<1> :P
<4> first you go with the last marketshare numbers from 1998 which was approximately 31 million then you add the hardware sales numbers for every quarter since then
<5> mac users are just too flamboyent, they annoy the rest of us normal computer users, that's why they'll never p*** 10% market share
<4> and _thats_ an underestimate
<8> \my next gui commercial os will probably be os x
<8> i aint touching vista
<5> Vista is nice, I'm running it right now
<4> poutine: damn who made you so angry lol .. all i said was.. "there are two ways to get into a mac by default.. dhcp and zeroconf" .. is that fanboyism? lol
<9> my next commercial os will be none
<10> poutine> they call Vista DRM hell, but they happily play along with Apple's DRM locks: I think that the mac dude has a point but as long as hees folowing theres evil ahead
<4> am i being a fanboy for pointing out two potential attack vectors?
<10> Vistas crap and not my vista even if vista smacked me in the head with a vista's vista monkey
<5> G-WiZ-, No, your fanboyism shows itself when you count mac hardware purchases back to 1998 as current mac market share
<5> you either didn't take economics, or you're a fanboy
<4> as a fanboy shouldnt i be using a mac for a server? lol i use FC4
<2> Chill, guys. :P
<4> yknow whatever.. 35 million, 45 million.. you put them in one area and thats a shiat load of people with a shiat load of purchasing power.. end of story.
<10> G-Wiz, poutine: loosen up sons, its not like its uncool or anythin
<4> and what do i know, i'm a graphic designer who has six macs but loves linux :)
<5> ambiental, way to follow
<10> Yes, im clearly amazingly awesome
<4> the only thing i couldnt do was convince my IT guys to use OpenSuSE instead of SuSE
<5> what was your argument?
<1> vista is an expensive clone of 10.4 with a lot of software added in.
<10> ***
<10> putin :)
<10> sorry putin, my bad..
<4> i didnt really have one compelling.. they just wanted to SuSE because half the networking garbage around here is Netware bolted with Groupwise and they figured they should have mostly novell stuff
<5> clone? lol
<5> Apple has stolen its UI elements from several other projects
<1> no no..
<4> vista is a poor clone of 10.4 ... according to many tech journalists
<5> dashboard is a rip off of CDE
<8> when is leopard coming out
<4> Mulder_: "spring" 2007 which means anytime before june 15 :)
<10> G-WiZ-: windos is ****, ask anyone who has used it
<1> poutine: so you're going to say that fluxbox is total crap since it is a clone of blackbox?
<8> G-WiZ-, ah
<5> no, I don't make "X stole Y" arguments
<5> my example was just to show how silly they are
<1> but the funny thing is.. Microsoft has always contributed to OS X
<1> err
<10> I for one am required to make the **** work on about 100 boxxen
<8> i like the idea of os x
<1> Apple*
<8> bettre than i do the idea of vista
<4> ambiental: i have a windows box right next to me for testing.. yes it is... shiat.. for most things
<10> 15000 all in all
<4> when my budget is approved the windows box goes away and i get a Mac Pro and the two or three windows apps i need will be running under Parallels
<5> I bought and installed vista the day it came out, and I did their beta program from the first one to RC2
<4> TrackIt *shudder*, DOCSOpen *shudder* and .... IE 6 for testing *shudder*
<5> well not their first one
<1> that must have wore you out poutine
<10> G-WiZ-: indeed, im not sure why we need to have to work with that ****... maybe its because tired old fartknockers like the fact that we pay billions for the ****ty winblows
<10> CRAP
<1> G-WiZ-: as soon as i get a copy of 10.4 i think i'll be happy
<4> oh and i'm not sure if stupid-*** SAP requires the Microsoft Java RE
<5> there will be no m*** migration to the mac
<10> I for one like to cut costs and reward computer kings
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