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<0> I read the notes verbatim to the customer.
<0> they wanted the installer there.
<0> I said "Ma'am, it's likely that the installer is DEAD."
<0> "I don't care. Get his *** out here"
<1> most of the installers around here were independent companies working through DSI... pay was $65 for a one-receiver and $10 each additional receiver. no training. f-connectors would universally be hex-crimps, crimped with pliers. when compression connectors were used... crimped with pliers. when they actually had a compression tool... the cable would never be inserted all the way. and NEVER, EVER grounded.
<0> "Yes ma'am. Shall I have them reattach any dismembered limbs first?"
<1> zyxcba: yes, actually... minimum bend radius is rather important for coax.
<2> hm ya sure what about staples
<0> i like the drunks that try installing their own system at 3 am.
<2> I thought they would totally mess up the coax cable
<0> zyxcba: neat cabling is actually important. You also have to have drip loops on outside cabling to make sure water drains as well as possible before reaching the sealant.
<1> my favorite bad installer tale is a wildblue service call... two systems at the same property, both on pole mounts. Now, wildblue is VERY picky about proper cable, aiming, use of conduit, etc... otherwise the system doesn't work. wildblue specs for a pole mount is 2" steel pipe, 3ft in the ground, 100lbs+ of concrete, solid copper cable, conduit to the house.
<0> by conduit you mean pvc?
<0> with rg6u?
<0> no, you said copper cable, not rg6u
<1> these systems... 1" electrical conduit for the poles, with scraps of wood jammed under the dish collars to make them fit. 9" in the grounded. no concrete. steel-core cable. no conduit. no grounds. no drip loops. guess what? after a few days, they stopped working! and the best part... he charged the customer $700 for the mounts.
<1> solid copper core rg6.
<1> s/in the grounded/in the ground
<0> sweet!
<0> pimp my dish!
<0> ha!
<0> that's ridiculous.
<1> and then, if he hadn't ripped the customers off enough... he charged them $300 for a "booster" for each of the dishes. said booster was the TRIA (the wildblue equivelent of an LNB) on the dish, and already the customer's property...
<0> they would've gotten some free programming if that had been dishnetwork.
<1> I fixed that job... might be 8 months ago. I still haven't gotten paid for it.
<2> WhimsicalAgony, can you install a dish so its under cover of a roof, and still works, would this work better since rain and such would have lessor impacts on the antena surface
<1> it cost me over $400 to repair the systems.
<0> rain has no impact on a dish surface.
<2> But wind does, and snow
<3> unless it's acid
<0> wind doesn't either.
<0> it takes a ****load of wind to move a dish that's installed properly.
<1> the customer was understandably miffed, and didn't want to pay me. the installation company I worked for didn't think it was their problem, so wouldn't pay me. DSI didn't think it was their problem, so wouldn't pay me. wildblue... see where this is going?
<0> as long as the center of the dish where the lnbf is pointed has a clear line of sight to the satellite in the sky, you can put that dish wherever you want.
<3> where do you live furrywolf
<1> so I spent two days (90ft of trenching in rocky ground, two 3ft deep holes, setting concrete, etc) and $400 of parts, none of which I've been paid for.
<0> just not inside
<0> windows block los.
<1> if you're losing signal in the wind, your dish is loose. bolt it down securely, then reaim...
<0> that ****s foryou furrywolf :(
<0> furrywolf: that, or a tree is blowing in front of it ;)
<1> WhimsicalAgony: yes. :)
<1> or it's mounted on a tree. even though I tell customers not to do that.
<0> furrywolf: or your ***hole installer (no offense to you) installed it too closely to where the cows graze on widy days.
<0> 'yes, that's happened.
<0> *windy
<2> so is snow ever a problem or not
<0> yes
<0> any precipitation *CAN* cause signal loss.
<1> the one exception to "you can put that dish wherever you want" that I've found is power lines on multi-satellite dishes. even though they're not in the LOS for any of the birds, if they're too close to the LOS, the satfinder will read a nice strong signal, but the bit error rate will be too high.
<0> snow buildup on the dish *CAN* cause signal loss.
<0> if snow has built up on the dish, gently brush it off.
<0> voila.
<0> if it's still snowing, read a book.
<1> spray your dish with silicone grease (or pam if you're cheap), or get a dish heater. or just spray it with a garden hose if your pipes aren't frozen. :)
<0> NONONONONONO
<0> DO NOT spray with pam
<0> DO NOT
<1> WhimsicalAgony: heh, I've never tried pam... I have dry teflon spray that I love for things like that. but I've gotten good reports of pam usage from customers. :)
<0> furrywolf. Have you ever fried something and left the pan out overnight without soaking it or cleaning it?
<1> lol
<0> the oil gets sticky after a while.
<4> goodnight furrywolf
<1> cyas Fiercestcalm
<0> which means leaves, feathers, etc.... it will STICK to the dish.
<1> lol
<0> and be rather impossible to get off.
<0> so DO NOT USE PAM OR OIL!
<1> dunno, I've had several customers tell me they did it...
<0> BAD!
<1> lol
<0> BAD DOG!
<1> I like the dry teflon spray I have. I use it for my ladder. leaves a super smooth, completely dry teflon coating on anything you spray it on... makes things feel like the inside of a non-stick pan.
<0> that's not OIL.
<0> that would be fine, I'd ***ume.
<0> but nothing OIL based.
<0> no paints, either.
<1> (I have one of those telescoping/folding ladders... you need to keep it greased or it sticks)
<1> heh, I've seen LOTS of painted dishes.
<0> me too.
<0> to match the house *shakes head*
<1> I even saw one with the entire lnb, feedhorn and all, painted bright green. :)
<0> it's 20 inches in diameter
<0> ****ing DEAL with 20 inches of grey
<1> lol
<0> it's not that big of a deal.
<0> I mean really people.
<1> you'd be amazed (ok, with your job, maybe you wouldn't) the number of complaints I've gotten about how badly the dish ****s up their home decor...
<0> it's not like the old c-band dishes.
<0> i always told em to switch to cable.
<0> I would tell them outright.
<0> If it';s that heartbreaking to you, switch to cable.
<1> I once had a customer pay me $100, as I was finishing installing their dish, to move it to the other side of the garage because they decided they didn't like where they wanted it the first time...
<1> heh, when doing wildblue, cable isn't an option.
<2> what color are the dishs WhimsicalAgony , why not tell them for a fee you can get them any color they want
<0> if you can't tolerate 20 inches of grey, switch.
<0> they are grey.
<0> there aren't different colors.
<1> I had one customer insist on keeping out some MEK and stripping the wildblue silkscreening off the dish, so it would be plain grey, with no logo.
<1> s/keeping out/getting out
<0> satellite companies aren't going to manufacture thousands of colors to match home decor.
<0> it'd be hell on the installers to have to go out to their houses with paint chips to try and match the ****
<1> most of the service calls I've been on have been due to installer errors, not customer screwups... painted dishes seem to work just fine. half-installed connectors don't!
<1> (this is what I get for being the only competent installer in the area... every single ****ing service call)
<0> until the paint bubbles or chips and that throws that signal bounce just to the left of the lnb
<2> ever see any problems with staples on coax cables furrywolf
<1> zyxcba: yep, lots. I've pulled out several cable runs because the installed use stables instead of proper clips...
<0> that'll cause the cable to degrade prematurely.
<1> you CAN NOT damage the dielectric. if you crunch the cable, be it too sharp of a bend, staples, or anything else... bad or no signal.
<0> I've told dozens of customers they needed new cable runs from g to h because of degradation.
<0> especially with DishNetwork's bandstacking now that they use diseqc technology.
<0> Anyway, it's 3:37 am
<0> I've been up since way too early.
<1> my favorites are the customers who "fix" loose cable by putting staples THROUGH it. AAARRRGGGHHHH....
<0> and Nick has to work soon.
<0> so goodnight, dearies.
<1> and then get upset when I have them the $75 bill for splicing the cable.
<1> cyas
<0> I will be back in about.... 8 or 10 hours.
<0> smooches!
<2> lol I wonder can you just use nails for attaching the cable
<1> zyxcba: no
<1> use telecrafter clips if you insist on staples, or use flexclips. no staples, no nails.
<1> do not use anything that crushes, flattens, or compresses the cable in any fashion.
<1> note that the pickyness depends on the frequencies... directv's IF is the lowest, so it's the most tolerant of problems. wildblue has the highest IF, and is VERY picky. dish is somewhere in the middle...
<1> WhimsicalAgony will probably hit me with a newspaper again, but I've left plenty of people's systems using RG59 and getting plenty decent signals. things you can do with dtv but not dish. :)
<5> why my knoppix 4, cant chroot -it says "cannot run command 'bin/sh': no such file or directory"
<2> perhaps you dont have chroot command are you root, look around for it.
<1> perhaps you should read a chroot tutorial.
<1> since questions like that suggest you have not set up your chroot environment.
<5> yess im root and i want to move to my mnt/hda1 dir, for remastering my knoppix
<1> bbl, wolfy bedtime
<5> i tried to chmod the dir and run chroot /mnt/hda1/ , n still error
<5> but chroot works fine on knoppix 3.8
<5> help pls
<2> try finding where chroot is , whereis chroot
<5> searching..
<5> i use knopp on my old box so it'll take a while
<5> it's in ./KNOPPIX/usr/sbin/chroot
<6> d000dz
<5> it's in ./UNIONFS/usr/sbin/chroot
<7> Dear all, my qmail is openrelay. /var/qmail/control/rcpthost is only my domain, and /etc/tcp.smtp is only list my ip addresses. What else should be configured?
<8> hi
<8> are there any programs out there that can test if ur pc is compatiable with linux??
<7> mopan: just run linux live cd in your pc
<8> k thx
<6> YA DA!
<9> does anyone know if there's a way to get around being behind a nat'ed modem to use amule properly?
<6> go in front
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