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<0> what if we're talking about porting dtrace to linux since solaris has opened the source to it?
<1> 1 to go
<0> sun
<2> i only meant it as a torture session :)
<0> Al-Ashtar, XP
<1> poutine: since you don't use linux, you don't like linux, you don't like helping people, and you're so negative even electrons and going off business because of you, why are you here in this channel ?
<0> I never said I never use linux, you asked me what I was currently running, and I said XP, that says nothing about other computers running near me, or far away which are under my control
<1> ok scratch the first part of the question
<0> nope
<0> I have stuff to do anyways
<1> cool :D I'm going to ask him this every time I see him
<1> it's like a poutine PifPaf
<1> now for the linux topic
<3> at least he's gone. Bedtime for the little guy. BBIAB.
<1> BBIAB ?
<1> how come some distros aren't free ?
<4> BrB
<1> tyt
<1> same kernel
<1> same desktop environment (kde, gnome, etc)
<1> *mostly* same applications
<5> Al-Ashtar: free how? you can charge for linux, you know
<1> what about this free software thing
<6> Most will have a "limited" distro disc for free anyway.
<5> you just have to provide the source (when asked for it) and you can't restrict someone else from distributing it
<1> ok so let's take redhat for an example
<1> it's the same distro as before
<5> ok
<1> just an updated kernel as are most of the other distros
<1> what makes it so special
<1> that they charge money for it
<6> Doesn't Red Hat have quite the support team and such?
<5> Al-Ashtar: RH charges for the binaries & support
<5> all of their source is available, & you can build your own distro from it (see Centos & White Box)
<1> can't I use FC5's binaries on RH ?
<5> you just can't distribute RH-copyrighted images or call your distro Red Hat
<1> I mean, can't I use RH's binaries on FC5 ?
<5> Al-Ashtar: if it will run, I don't see why you couldn't
<1> both are rpms
<1> anyway
<5> Al-Ashtar: the libraries may or may not match up, also it would depend on the versions
<1> how come RH isn't charging FC5's users for using its binaries
<5> Al-Ashtar: because a) FC has its own binaries b) you can redistribute the RH binaries I think
<5> why are you crying about it anyway? thre's no one forcing you to use RH - we're about to migrate to Centos where I work
<1> ok so if I don't want to use binaries, and I wanna build'em from source, and I don't need RH's support. Can I use RHEL for free ?
<7> huh? free?
<1> I'm just askin
<1> on-topic discussion
<1> hehe
<5> Al-Ashtar: yes - didn't you see what I said about Centos & WhiteBox?
<5> you just can't redistribute it as RHEL
<1> yeah I did
<5> there *was* an issue about that - they had to remove references to RHEL from their websites
<1> I'm not talking about using the RH source to build my own distro.
<1> just running RHEL for free if I don't need their support & binaries
<6> So Centos and WhiteBox is basicly the same thing as RHEL?
<5> Al-Ashtar: I don't know, ask RH
<5> most likely, no
<5> the_ruthless: yes
<4> BacKo
<1> then it must be something other than the binaries and support
<5> Al-Ashtar: as long as you updated manually, I don't think RH would really care
<5> however, if you were to try to use their update servers, that *may* be an issue
<5> why go through the h***le when you can just use a work-alike?
<1> yeah I'm not going through the h***le
<1> just wondering
<1> what makes rh or caldera or suse or any enterprise os, so special that they charge people for it
<1> it has to be something other than the binaries and support :/
<6> Why must there be?
<6> They are FREE to charge if they want to.
<1> how can they charge for something other people are using for free legally
<1> besides it's a free software
<1> free software wouldn't be free if you charge for it
<6> You can download Mandriva, and you can BUY Mandriva (to get club membership and such). The companies are FREE to do so if they want to.
<1> yeah but you can't download rhel and use it forever for free
<5> Al-Ashtar: it's not free as in price, it's free as in freedom to do what you want
<5> Al-Ashtar: yes you can, if you build it
<8> sure ya can
<8> the updates from the rhn are not freely available
<8> the source is
<1> back
<1> sorry
<1> you were saying ?
<8> you get what you pay for
<1> Cancel: that would mean, if you don't want rh support and binaries and updates, you can use their os for free ?
<8> sure
<8> they gonna stop you
<1> legally ?
<8> its not like your rh3l stops working and burns and dies if you dont renew
<8> yes
<1> are you sure ?
<8> yep
<8> if you're that concered though why are you on it to begin with?
<1> i'm not
<1> I'm using ubuntu
<1> I'm just asking
<8> then why do you care?
<8> is it soemthing you are contemplating or just info
<1> because I bought rhel before I switched to ubuntu
<9> mustve been expensive
<1> $180
<8> then seems you should have asked all that before instead of after
<1> lol
<1> yeah I should've
<1> ok I'm never gonna order books from amazon ever again
<9> why not
<1> because it takes forever to be delivered
<1> DVDs take 3 working days
<1> 4 at most
<1> but books
<9> oh yeah
<9> my family guy dvds came mega quick
<9> they got shipped from europe
<1> my def jam dvds are from europe too
<8> Al-Ashtar: well amazon isnt always the shipper
<1> I know
<8> some things are like ebay, the seller is the shipper
<1> DHL is
<8> dhl isnt either
<1> but my orders isn't dispatched yet
<8> just because an item is on amazon even knew doesnt mean its from amazon
<10> anyway i can set folder as hidden via ftp?
<8> sure .
<8> one can still see it though
<1> Cancel: I mean WTF !!! http://pastebin.ca/82041
<8> poor you man
<1> up to December to deliver books !!
<8> whats a guy to do?
<1> I'm going to yournick the order
<8> hehe
<1> :D
<8> you must not really want those books
<1> I really do
<11> about 15 hours to take off
<11> i'm going to miss my PC :(
<8> only one I'd get is the bible
<8> Cognition: take it with you
<1> Cognition: take it
<11> nah, i don't wanna drag this big old box half the way across the globe
<1> take the hard disk at least
<8> well leave it on
<8> take your lappy
<8> remote access
<11> i'll borrow Al-Ashtar's PC when i get back, with that lame*** Ubuntu on it :P
<1> don't count on it
<1> :P
<11> LOL
<11> yeah just teasing
<1> I sleep with my lappy
<1> we're gonna have a little baby usb storage flash memory
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