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<0> :D
<1> most distros have a minimal install option, it would make sense to try that (to me anyway)
<2> if "DSL" loads 10 modules when booting.. and "Slackware" loads 10 modules while booting, that means Slackware takes 5 minutes longer to boot because it has MORE modules in its kernel than DSL (according to this guy)
<3> LOL
<0> umm... k
<4> How can Slackware take five minutes longer to boot? My box doesn't take five minutes to boot in total.
<0> if i were going to build upon a minimalist install i would rather start with slackware then with DSL or Puppy
<3> Penguin-: I think he was making a hypthetical argument.
<4> I think he's making ignorant statements.
<3> either way, it's a dumb one
<3> uh-huh, agreed.
<3> you know I just realized something ..
<2> Penguin-: i dunno this dude is being a retard, telling me that because it has 2000 modules its SLOW and takes longer to boot
<2> 2000 is just a thrown out number
<3> most of us hold on to what we believe is the _right_ or _wrong_ way of doing things when we shouldn't
<1> even if it did take longer to boot - it wouldn't take significantly longer
<2> it takes me 22 seconds to boot slackware
<1> if you're running something important, you're going to have redundancy anyway
<4> Interex: Just accept the fact he doesn't know what he's talking about and ignore him.
<2> blah stupid people.
<1> and I don't consider most home systems important
<2> dude keeps saying he has everything he needs, yet is asking for help to add stuff to the distro..
<5> whats that resolution just above 1024x768?
<2> so i said
<2> <2> mark the drive as READ ONLY and never add anything because it has EVERYTHING you need.
<0> 1200x1024
<5> thanks urbanmonkey
<4> 1280 x 1024
<5> 1280... thanks Penguin-
<0> whoops... Penguin- is right
<0> sorry
<3> some people have their heads up their ***es, debating them yields nothing, and no one learns in the process.
<5> no worries... I didnt close vim yet.
<6> it takes my box stupidly long to boot (on the order of several minutes).
<2> wow
<2> thats a long time
<2> my WEBL server once it gets to the bios boots in under 1 minute
<6> it does a lot of things sequentially that it should do at once. Why does it need to probe ide, THEN scsi, THEN usb?
<6> it spends a minute just probing usb...
<2> but from the time you turn it on to the time it gets to the bios post is m***ively long
<6> heh, I'm not counting the bios POST. the time it takes from grub onwards.
<6> post takes about 30 minutes if I let it run the memory check.... about 1 minute if I don't.
<0> wow
<4> BIOS revision 1
<6> (this motherboard seems to have a rather complete memory test, and with 2 gigs of pc133 ram...)
<5> vertrefresh is the same idea as horizsync right... its the settings that shou,d be for my monitor.
<0> is it ECC ram?
<2> i wish my WEBL Server didnt take forever to boot
<6> urbanmonkey: of course.
<2> err, boot to the bios
<4> It doesn't boot to BIOS.
<4> It POSTS, then boots the OS.
<6> Arsenios: yep, those should be in your monitor's manual... but if you have a new monitor and new video card, it should be able to grab those automagically.
<4> power on > POST > chainloader > boot OS
<5> furrywolf, Yea it had wrong settings compared to what my monitor wants so I am just gion through my xorg.conf right now fixin things.
<5> now here is the question of the day... Anyone know where I can find ATI Rage128 drivers? Or should I compile a new kernel?
<6> part of the problem is probably my having 8 ide channels, about 40 usb devices, scsi, firewire, and lots of other things that it wants to load at boottime. heh.
<0> furrywolf sound and/or video production machine?
<6> oh yeah, and 3 sound cards.
<6> urbanmonkey: nope.
<4> Support for 16 PATA hard drives?
<6> Penguin-: yep
<4> That's unusual.
<6> chipset ide, on-board promise raid, and two promise raid scsi cards.
<0> whats the box used for
<6> urbanmonkey: jabbering on irc.
<0> lol
<6> (and anything else I need to do. heh.)
<3> What did Microsoft do to shorten the boot sequence. I remember that it got much shorter over the years
<6> grr
<3> ?
<6> s/promise raid scsi/promise raid pci
<6> Cognition: hardware got faster.
<0> Cognition to what point? to full desktop? or just to login?
<3> furrywolf: hmm, I heard something like .. delaying initialization of some stuff after boot and login
<6> you install xp on an old box, and you'll realize just how much slower the software is... it just hasn't gotten slower as quickly as hardware has gotten faster.
<3> urbanmonkey: I think to login
<0> because a TON of stuff doesn't even start to get loaded until you have logged in
<3> uh-huh, that's what I thought
<0> networking/individual policies and settings...
<3> now, Isn't that a _good_ thing?
<0> yes
<3> err, I guess it's not applicable on Linux because of its multi-user nature
<2> i'm thinking about making a linux image to put on my thin client.
<3> Interex: thin client?
<6> then for usb... 3 usb graphics tablets, 2 usb laser printers, 5 usb inkjet printers, 2 printers on usb->parallel adapters, 1 usb sound device, 2 digital cameras, 1 usb electronic microscope, 1 mouse, 1 port replicator, 1 scanner, 1 usb cdrw drive, 7 usb hubs, 2 usb ethernet dongles, 1 usb port replicator, umm... I get the feeling I'm forgetting something, but can't remember what. :)
<2> HP T5700
<2> google it
<4> You don't know what a thin client is?
<3> I do ..
<3> but never got around to making one
<2> hmm, its prebuilt by HP
<2> like a hald held
<3> Interex: so .. do you like apply the boot sequence from the network card?
<0> furrywolf is there a point to having all that hardware attached... or just because youcan?
<2> no, but it will boot from net
<6> ah! 1 usb 6-in-one flash card reader. that's what I forgot. :)
<0> Interex just add bootp server?
<6> urbanmonkey: all of it gets used sometimes, although all but one of the 5 usb inkjets is currently out of ink.
<3> Interex: uh-huh, and once the image is altered, what happens to the changes, are they discarded?
<2> urbanmonkey: yes, but i just put DSL onto the 256mb internal ROM
<2> it boots off USB Flash, USB CD, Network, ROM
<6> currently the only thing on the scsi bus in my other scanner, but it still spends 20 seconds probing it.
<0> and then add stuff to customize? j/k
<2> urbanmonkey: heh
<2> if DSL came with RDesktop 1.3.1 or newer i'd be very happy
<2> i'm trying to put DSL-n on there but i'm getting isses with loading the modules and its so difficult to go back and forth from the thin client and my pc to fix stuff.
<6> sigh, my repair manual has a warning "never use gasoline to clean leather upholstery". that's almost as bad as warning you not to drive into things...
<2> oooh
<2> that reminds me
<2> Penguin-: i was bumpin away with the intrepid the other day and opened my trunk to straighten things a bit...
<0> or a knife with the warning, "Do not put in children"?
<7> as stupid as warnings are... they wouldn't be there if someone hadn't tried it
<2> my left woofer is just blowing air hard from the center fo the woofer
<6> blew your dust cap?
<2> the "foam" has seperated from the cone in a 1/2 " piece
<2> like the glue? they use to adhes*sp it broke
<4> Is that the used one or the new one?
<2> they are the Alpines
<4> adhere
<2> hea, adhere
<2> yea&
<2> it hammers as hard as always but there is a puff of air each hit
<6> if it's just the glue, re-glue it (gorilla snot works well)... if the foam cracked, you'll need to re-foam it.
<4> It might just need some TLC to glue it back down.
<2> no the foam is good, i checked.
<4> Gorilla Glue would be okay.
<6> (gorilla snot being 3m trim and weatherstrip adhesive)
<2> ah ok
<2> i was going to use superglue but decided id research it
<6> the best stuff I've found for making rubber stick to metal.
<6> superglue ****s.
<4> Weather stripping glue would be okay, too.
<4> Cyanoacrylite would be bad on a speaker.
<2> i had this 12" woofer which Penguin- still has laying aroudn somewhere that the foam split on.. i "fixed" it with gasket sealer/maker
<6> superglue will glue ceramic back together, and it'll glue paper, but it ****s for metal or rubber.
<2> we bumped it for a few days like that
<2> that was the night we met Kat and Nikki i think..
<4> I've been waiting for 7874 seconds for this one page to load...
<4> Junk servers they have.
<6> heh
<2> maybe its puppylinux's site
<4> It's KC's site.
<2> oh
<4> Running on Windows.
<6> KC off-road lights? or is there another KC I don't know about? :)
<2> you guys ever get control over the DNS at the school?
<4> I'm talking about a local KC.
<4> I guess I don't know.
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