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<0> Hmmm. Silence.
<0> So either I hit on something, or I pissed everyone off with an arrogant comment.
<1> I already lost my sysadmin job
<1> lol
<0> Oh, you lost it? I thought it was a promotion?
<0> Them not having called makes more sense now.
<1> I mean, I still work there, but I'm in the NOC now
<0> Then that's a step up.
<0> You don't intentionally put dopes in the noc.
<2> HAHAHAHA!
<2> I love these opers, sometimes.... someone got akilled... vrsa logged it.
<2> Tue Aug 8 13:52:35 2006 Pushed *!*@irc.dal.net to the blacklist
<0> heh.
<0> That's where the blacklist comes from?
<2> that's part of it.
<0> Now I understand why ther bogus entries get on there.
<2> if there's certain text in an akill message, it gets added. virus, trojan, etc....
<3> It relies on all the people running dalnet knowing what they are doing.
<0> Oh. Hmmm.
<2> whythehell : HEH!
<0> Harsh.
<2> HOly ****!
<2> this blacklist is getting out of hand!
<0> Oh sure.There's some good people in there.
<2> i'm up to almost 10k unique entries.
<2> and based on watching the logs... a significant amount of that is people getting booted by services for trojans.
<1> ****, argument with Diamond
<1> brb
<3> Perhaps it's because "my" is shorter than "postgre" and therefore easier to remember.
<2> she's still around?!
<4> easier to pronounce, too
<5> whythehell: LOL, interesting theory :)
<3> That also helps.
<6> larger userbase?
<3> As a cognitive psychologist, it's the one that comes to mind.
<5> whythehell: a cognitive psychologist residing in #linux, #Math, and #C++ ... hmmmm
<7> well, i think it was mostly a matter of timeing. mysql was good enough, and simple enough to use.
<3> Yes.
<5> well, both DBMSs are easy to use (at least that's how i perceived them)
<5> but what i didn't like about MySQL is that it didn't support UNIONs and INTERSECTIONs (i think)
<8> Linux just died on me
<8> I was trying to burn on a seemingly damaged DVD disc
<8> system crawled to a halt and required a hard reset
<3> Did you get a complete hang?
<8> yeah complete
<8> well, ping was responding
<8> but ssh was not going through
<3> Did you wait for ssh until the connection timed out?
<5> whythehell: did you study in Warwick?
<3> Technically, as I'm still a PhD student, I still do.
<5> oh, got ya
<5> i'm a bit perplexed as to why you're interested in our field!
<3> Whose field?
<5> as in Computer Science i mean.
<5> like why did you pursue it, or why not change your field of study altogether in the first place to software engineering or something like that
<0> speaking of CS... I've been reading an ai book I picked up at mit.
<3> If you're asking about Linux, I have never used Windows as my main OS. I started with AmigaOS, used Linux on my Amiga, and when I got an x86, I just continued.
<0> I never realized that it wasn't brain rocket science
<0> In order to implement
<5> jblack: it depends, AI is a big field
<5> jblack: somethnig like neural networks are hard to implement
<0> True, and I'm only 3 or 4 algorithms in.
<0> oddly, all of the algorthims focus on 2d+ space.
<3> If you're asking about C++, I use C++ to program various mathematical, statistical or computational models of cognitive processes, as well as experiments.
<6> in its most basic form i think it could be pretty basic, but it can ofcourse also be major-p.i.t.a. too..
<0> I haven't seen a lot for 1d space.
<3> Doing what in 2d+ space?
<5> whythehell: interesting. That must be a big advantage to your compared to other psychologists i guess.
<9> hello
<5> jblack: are you referring to physical transformations and pattern mappings in 2D?
<3> A fair number of the people who do similar work to me are in some sense converts from CS. Most of the ones who aren't tend not to use C or C++, although pascal seems moderately popular.
<9> can i mirror some folders over a network automatically? in order to prevent loosing data , due to a hd malfunction?
<5> whythehell: i like C++ for one reason ,Linux. Beyond that, i do most of my development in java.
<3> One of my colleagues who usually uses C used Java to run experiments over the web (participants got ipoints) and described it as write once, debug everywhere.
<0> Well, in the case of atar, its maze navigation. For simulated anealing and swarm, its finding the minimum, while tryin to avoid getting trapped in a local minimum.
<0> astar.
<5> whythehell: actually, sadly, C++ is more prone to bugs in that regard
<3> I suspect only if you behave badly with your types.
<5> whythehell: we had an entire semester talking about how the language gives you some tools that are supposed to help you but in fact do more harm than good
<0> cog has a point. If you don't take the time to learn the language, you can get yourself into trouble.
<3> C++ gives you all the rope you want, which is enough to hang yourself.
<0> There's more than one C programmer out there that thinks they know c++ (but don't).
<10> and C++ advocates make you use all the rope.
<3> Definitely.
<3> (To jblack, not RuneB)
<5> in C++, i saw an application, where it generates a SegFault, however, just add one cout statement, and your program runs normally, any ideas :)?
<0> Cognition: Oh, that happens in C too. Its a corrupted stack.
<10> "No! Don't make your own linked list! Use templates! Use the STL!"
<3> Don't write to memory you don't own.
<5> jblack: actually, it was just a bad pointer
<0> a cout (or a printf) modifies the stack in such a way that it happens to kinda-work.
<5> jblack: however, after you add the cout statement, your bad pointer is shifted (because of the internal structure of the compiler i'm sure you know it)
<0> cognition: Which gets written to, which corrupts the stack. :)
<10> "No! Use iostreams! Not stdio!"
<3> RuneB: That isn't rope, that's features.
<5> jblack: yup exactly
<10> C++ started out as a simple tool, but now you're supposed to do everything the C++ way.
<0> runb: Yeah, and you're supposed to use C in the C way, and bash in the bash way. This is in an ideal world.
<5> i didn't see such perplexing problems with java, and thus debugging was a bit easier with me
<5> and tons of other examples, like the invalid L-Value
<0> runb: If you've gotten hit by the "stop writing C for a C++ compiler", they're trying to tell you that you're doing things the long way in C, that are much shorted in C++.
<5> since then, i said burn the god damn pre-processor, it is horrible!
<0> For example, writing your own linked list, when the STL is sitting right there. :)
<0> I need to check an algebra test. be back
<3> Cognition: Really, in C++, the preprocessor can be restricted to use for #include.
<5> whythehell: i agree, but the ability to do so much, is in itself, not a good conformation to Software Engineering principles
<3> The rest's some nice rope inherited from C.
<10> you have to figure out the obfuscated STL code though, instead of just adding one or two pointers to your struct.
<5> whythehell: the only way to "cheat" in Java is through JNI, which puts you back to C++ anyway :)
<5> whythehell: not to say that java is perfect, of course as you said you need a lot of debugging there too, but i find it more conforming to the principles and ideas that are recommended in our software engineering books.
<11> hi guys
<7> As usual, use the right tool for the right job!
<5> Noy: well said
<5> i won't use Java for designing a video-game :)
<7> You dont want to write a kernel in java, and you dont want to write a web-servlet in c.
<11> anyone knows the title of the song and the singer with this line "i just wanna love you forever more and i wanna hug you just like before"
<3> Well Java is supposed to be a tool where you can program in one location, and have it work everywhere.
<7> dxallow: Tried google it?
<3> That may be a little optimistic.
<5> Noy: that's true, that is why i like to work with C and Java, C++ is like somewhere in the middle and does more harm than good
<7> whythehell: It can, if you know what youre doing.
<11> tried it but its unclear
<5> whythehell: agreed
<11> try rexx
<11> anyone knows the title of the song and the singer with this line "i just wanna love you forever more and i wanna hug you just like before"
<11> pls.
<5> whythehell: platform independence is still more of a word than an implementation, especially on the enterprise level.
<12> dxallow: Google it. It would be easier than all of us doing it for you.
<13> hi
<11> keep ringing in my head but couldnt find the details cant sleep cause of this
<13> anyone can help me?
<5> WartecH: only if you ask a question
<13> I'm trying to start vserver but it gives an error
<13> "Can not find util-vserver installation; aborting...
<13> how can I solve this problem?
<13> anybody?
<12> Maybe you should install util-vserver?
<13> but before the electric gone . I can start vservers
<5> WartecH: it sounds self explanatory, you need to install the utils
<5> WartecH: what distro?
<13> how I can install utils?
<5> WartecH: what distro/
<13> I'm new about Linux I don't know everything. This server is my friends and there is a problem on it .
<13> how can I see distro?
<4> "it's my friends"
<5> WartecH: dmesg|head
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