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<0> Anyway, I think I prefer being in Ethiopia.
<1> sup
<0> Strykar : Thank's, I think I'll follow that advice. Anyway, I think the position in India might be open in the future, So it might just 'wait' for me.
<1> what would be cool to test out, i got a amd 64bit 3300 w/ 2gb ram
<1> im having this hd replaced this week and wanted to test some linux stuff
<2> Rilfies, try samhain
<2> samhain eat too much resources :/
<1> is there any os thats not linux osx or windows
<3> will 32 bit apps still run within a 64 bit os?
<1> sometimes
<4> No.
<3> will 16bit apps run on xp
<3> ?
<5> yes
<4> some
<0> Rilfies : You can see a list of "Hobby" OS's on www.osnews.com
<5> jblack: all
<4> Not all.
<4> any of the ones that depend upon real mode won't work.
<3> what's real mode?
<4> Its complicated
<1> if i wanted to get someone to like linux but they **** at pcs what would be best to put on there computer
<1> lol
<1> and there sorta dumb
<1> mandriva or somethen?
<4> Ubuntu probably
<6> mandriva is ok, just it's dying..
<4> make sure you give them openoffice
<6> take jblacks advise Ubuntu :)
<4> and get all the plugins for firefox that you can
<1> would need to beable to work some windows stuff with ease tho he likes those online poker game things
<1> lol
<6> umm switchproxy is real nice :)
<7> welshiD: you're not Al-Ashtar by any chance are ya?
<6> Cognition no i aint :)
<4> No. He's not
<7> k
<6> hi jb :) long time no see hopes your ok man..
<7> he's a good guy, but just very enthusiastic about Ubuntu
<4> I'm doing ok.
<6> glad to hear jb :)
<6> i got two slipped disks atm, fun fun fun
<1> should i get a 64bit version will i experince any diffrences vs the x86 one
<4> I'm working from time to time on a security audit visualization tool for windows that enchanter_tim suggested.
<6> sweet :)
<7> Rilfies: won't work, you're talking about two different architectures!
<4> Yeah. I needed his advice on what I've done so far. So he disapeared.
<1> iv got x86 linux to work on my other amd
<1> :d
<7> Rilfies: it's like getting the Mac version for your Mainframe
<6> lol i've been looking for him for a bit, but lack of net connection in my new flat ( i aint got my fone line installed yet, gotta wait till the 12th.. no wireless AP's round me either..)
<1> i can use os x on this pc
<1> ;d
<4> rilfies: Yeah, you can choose 32 bit or 64 bit if you have a 64 bit cpu. It doesn't come without compromises.
<1> which would be better
<1> ?
<7> !
<4> I don't have a 64 bit machine, so I can't tell you anything with specificity.
<7> well, would it be better to use all 64 bits on a processor's registers? or use 32 of'em?
<4> Cognition: If all things were equal, then yeah. It would be that obvious.
<6> :)
<4> But the fact of the matter is that not everything has been ported to the 64 bit architecture.
<1> well i tried windows 64bit and couldent get half my crap to work
<1> lol
<1> games etc
<1> just wondering if linux was the same
<4> rilfies: You'd see a lesser version of the same problem.
<4> Generally, most free software has been ported to 64 bit.
<4> You'll have less luck if you're depending upon proprietary software.
<1> well im dling the ubuntu 64
<1> ill have the iso in 40 min
<1> then gonna install
<1> is it pretty up 2 date with newer hardware
<7> gotta go, exam in a couple of hours, Panic();
<1> like i shouldent have issues?
<4> Yeah.
<4> I don't have a 64 bit cpu. so I can't tell you much more than I am now.
<1> (AMD Athlon 64 3300+ Processor, 512 MB RAM, 160 GB Hard Drive, Dbl Layer 16X DVD+/-RW/CR-RW Drive, CD-ROM Drive)
<7> jblack: a rich guy like you should have 4 of those in every corner of the house :P
<1> that i got
<1> i got 2rb ram tho
<1> lol
<1> im not rich
<1> this pc was only 900
<4> Cognition: I haven't had a job in... 3 or 4 months.
<7> oh jeez
<6> jblack i'de pay ya to do devel for me one of these days :)
<7> i guess when i graduate my comp sci degree won't be worth ****
<4> welshid: I'm definitely interested
<4> I recently had to give up "hotdogs" as meat for being too expensive.
<6> **** man :(
<1> anyone know where i can get some screenies for ubun i tried the site
<4> So.. I'm very motivated right now. :)
<7> jblack: oh comeon, you're not serious are ya?
<1> someone told me redhat is back i havent checked lol i thought they was fedora
<4> You did catch that I'm writing a windows app, right?
<6> yeah..
<6> we're *nix/win32 depends on the day and the testing involved ;)
<4> Cognition: Well... yes and no, but mostly yes.
<4> I have savings, but only because I don't spend it.
<7> oh
<6> yeah lemme have a word with some of our guys here becuase we have a ton of devel work needed to be done, there's a limit to how much python i can code, besides somethings are best in C++
<7> well good luck getting out of the bottle neck, sorry for that!
<4> Yeah. I prefer c++ and python. I can dust off perl if ncessary, but its not my favorite language
<4> and I can of course work in C. ;)
<8> development work like what?
<4> I'm not picky.
<8> asm is cool too :)
<4> asm, I don't have.
<1> anyone know a good free iso burner for windows, i wanna burn this linux iso so ic an install
<6> hehe jb i hate perl these days although my T.D always codes perl :( yuck..
<8> sure you do. your C has to be converted somehow to machine code
<7> asm as in ***embly?
<8> yep
<4> I did ML on the c64, but that was 2 decades ago.
<7> it's not cool!
<8> it is to me
<7> unless you have something that is extremely hardware oriented, it's not only unnecessary, but a bad choice
<7> even device drivers are written in higher level languages
<4> dp2: Its not really the same thing. I could work on that low of a level, but frankly I don't see a need for it.
<7> it's like using a shotgon to shoot an ant
<6> i do a bit of x86 asm, bit of sparc and ppc asm..
<6> but i dont need it too much these days..
<6> (i have all the shellcode i need..)
<4> With software these days, writing stuff in ***embly is like shooting elephants with an ultra powerful bb gun.
<6> lol
<6> naa i dunno..
<6> i needed a python routine to run inline ***embler to zor encrypt up shellcode etc..
<6> xor*
<7> i did NASM, but only to get comfortable with the syntax, created a couple of sorting algorithms. But i won't bother with a full fledged application. For the record, i did my first, crappy, embarrasing virus on NASM.
<6> was i lil harsh, had to dust off my asm hat :)
<4> I'm not even convinced that there's much of a performance gain.
<4> The kernel doesn't even bother very much with ***embly.
<6> pyasm was nice..
<4> And since its so nonportable....
<6> yeppers..
<6> ever seen some of linus's dirty asm?
<6> http://lkml.org/lkml/2002/12/18/218
<7> as i said, exam, FreakOut(studySomething);
<7> later
<4> I've poked at it to see if ***embly scared me (no), but I'm not good enoguh to know if its **** or not
<8> most ppl don't have a need for coding in asm; system programmers, graphics programmers, and embedded programmers sometimes need to code in asm
<6> how about vulnerability researchers u missed me out!
<6> :)
<8> well, I would have also added that and compiler designers, etc :)
<6> woo :)
<4> Well, consider that...
<8> I've had to do some reversing for legacy appl development
<4> How much ***embly is out there to audit?
<6> jblack i dont audit asm, i just need to use it sometimes :)
<4> That's fair.
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