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<0> i ve seen it in Russia, yeah
<1> you don't have to use captive-ntfs unless you have an ntfs partition and want to read/write your windows files, and to have an ntfs partition you have to have windows installed, and to have windows installed you have to buy a license, and buying a license means you can use ALL the files ***ociated in that OS
<2> the SP contains the EULA disallowing use of the SP outside its original intentions. According to the laws of some countries, you need to be autorized to use WinXP to be allowed to use the files contained in the SP.
<1> this is mho
<2> Al-Ashtar : Unless the EULA specifically forbids using the product in other ways.
<3> windows and their licence ..pffst
<0> eula... NOT in my country, actually =)
<0> thx Heaven, feat Perun
<4> part1zan_ : This ain't AOL! Learn to spell, kid!
<2> heh! GO VRSA!
<5> BURN!
<4> Oh, shut up!
<0> A0< BK :84
<2> .....
<0> ?>H>; 2 ?5=L =)
<1> you can use ntfs.sys which comes with your already installed windows os
<2> please speak English in this channel.
<1> this way you don't have to download from SP
<1> and by this you're not violating any eula law
<2> Al-Ashtar : You're still supposed to abide by the EULA of the original product.
<1> don't you think simmy ?
<6> .. and microsoft respects us so much as valued customers that it is only fair that we honor their shrinkwrap license :)
<1> hmm
<7> angelos-: Live CD would be the recovery console.
<1> ok dinner is served
<2> ffair and honorable (or not... hehehe)... it's still a matter of legality.
<1> brb 15 minutes
<8> bon apetit
<6> yeah
<6> it's just bs though that this is the only kind of valid contract known where you have no chance to even see the contract until after you have paid money, as well as no chance to negotiate the terms of the contract
<2> 1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than one processor at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.
<6> hahaha
<6> does that forbid SMP?
<7> That wording us just silly.
<2> (this is for XP Home, btw)
<6> yes, probably by design
<7> is just
<6> you use unenforcable clauses like that so you can enforce them on whom you want, when you want
<6> give me the GPL any day :)
<2> ok... got the XP Pro EULA now...
<2> or not... fscking MS site threw a 404!
<6> heh
<9> can't deliver their own EULA
<6> their windows servers couldn't handle the load (remember Hotmail?)
<2> got the 64-bit one in front of me...
<2> yay. I get to type... it's PDF...
<7> Convert it to text.
<2> you may install, use, acecss, display, and run one copy of the product on a single computer, such as a workstaion, terminal, or other device. The product may not be used by more than 2 processors at any one time on any single workstation computer......
<2> you may not tuse the product to permit any device to use, access, display or run other executable software residing on the computer, nor may you permit any device to use, access, display, or run the product or product's user interface unless the device has a separate licesnse for the product.
<10> Anyone knows if you could write a snort rule that would trigger if a source host has sent packets to a range of destination ips within a short time?
<10> And for one specific port
<2> you may move the product to a different workstaion computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the product from the former workstation computer. (so you have to blow out Windows when you use captive-ntfs?)
<6> simmy: that's interesting.. that paragraph seems to forbid Remote Desktop
<6> as well as using IIS with any sort of cgi scripting
<2> remote desktop has its own clause.
<6> bah what a joke. why do people pay for something that comes with a long list of what you are not allowed to do with it
<2> you may use RDP with all MS products; provided however, use of the technology with certain ms products may require an additional license. for MS and non-ms products, you should consult the license agreement accompanying the applicable product or contact the applicable licensor to determine whether the use of RDP is permitted without an additional license.
<2> (i'm almost quoting here)
<2> Do you realize we just had a real conversation about something linux-related that wasn't an "rtfm" or "search the web" or "which <whatever> is better?"
<6> heh
<6> where's my calendar...
<2> gonna circle the day with a red marker? :)
<11> On-topic discussion, actually.
<7> So does that forbid the use of rdesktop on my *nix platform accessing Windows RDP?
<2> And, technically... that was TOTALLY on-topic... cause this isn't a help channel. It's a discussion channel.
<2> p3nguin ; Um.... Kinda looks that way, yeah.
<2> although... all my boxes running windows HAVE a licensed copy either installed or in a box, somewhere.
<2> (except my personal laptop that gets powered on once every 6 months, if that)
<2> that poor thing... P2-266.
<2> I only keep it around cause it's portable and has a serial port.
<2> switch or router configuration, anyone? :D
<7> But you're suppose to have the pretty little tag stuck on the computer that uses that product key.
<2> 2 of the machines, I built myself. So they don't have OEM keys.
<7> I won't buy a laptop that doesn't have a DB9 on it.
<2> those two machines, I have legal copies of windows for. One cost me $20 (direct from MS). The othe rwas free (direct from MS).
<7> TechNet events?
<2> p3nguin ; They're getting harder to come by. My work lappy has one... but I can't rely on it.
<2> p3nguin : One was cause I worked for a corporate partner (EDS). And the other was a TechNet event.
<2> .Net cheerleading session, if I recall.
<7> I like TechNet and MSDN just for the goodies they give away.
<2> yeah.
<2> my side-job employer has a business MSDN subscription that I'm going to start making use of. :D
<2> (so much for on-topic)(
<7> The speakers are sometimes boring, but I can sit through them, usually.
<2> the thing I went to... "Who here does NOT use IIS on their webservers?" I raised my hand.... "What do you run?" "Linux with apache." "Ew. WHy?" "Cause I don't want my **** getting owned every other week." "Why would you come to a .Net conference if you don't run IIS?" "Free stuff."
<2> lots of people laughed.
<7> I would have applauded.
<12> should have said "mono"
<2> that reminds me of another amusing anecdote....
<2> We had 5 IBM servers running Lotus Notes on Win2k. They'd reboot randomly.
<2> MS guy comes out to have a look... After WEEKS, they still don't have a solution.
<2> It looks like it's a problem with the video drivers. IBM keeps screwing these things up. I'll call them up and see what we can do for you.
<13> Al-Ashtar: tommorow starts the long boring journy of jumping between airports .. sigh
<2> OH... ok.... ya know... we'd been thinking of putting linux on these boxes.
<2> Why would you want to do that?
<2> Cause linux at least works.
<9> heh
<2> But do you really want to install an OS built and maintained by a bunch of kids sitting in their parents basements?
<2> Why not? It works better than the stuff cranked out by the corporate code monkeys at IBM.
<2> MS guy had no response.
<9> lol
<5> Nice.
<2> From that point on, every time he'd come to my desk, he'd bring something with him to try to one-up my linux box.
<6> hahaha
<2> Look! It's VirtualPC! It now supports cds-from-iso's...
<7> I don't get it... Why does it matter if we work in a basement?
<6> sounds like that stuck in his craw a bit
<2> OH.. like this 2 year-old copy of VMWare I'm using? (provides proof) .... Keep trying, Mike.
<6> p3nguin: because they think they're ultra-professional and that this has anything to do with their end results
<2> yeah. I bitch slapped his ego every time I had the opportunity.
<6> heh
<6> i wish we had M$ marketdroids come by my workplace
<2> when Blaster hit, I called him and chewed his ear for as long as he'd let me.
<6> i'd rip them a new ***hole
<2> he eventually asked "Did you have a question or something for me?"
<6> heh
<14> anyone use xchat?
<2> Nope... just called to tell you what I thought of your superior product and stellar security model whiel my coworkers are scrambling to patch their infected boxes.
<2> (i'd patched my stuff weeks before the worm ravaged the network)
<6> simmy: i'd grill them on why their apps keep trying to phone home
<2> causality : That's a reasonably new thing. They didn't back when I worked with that group.
<2> HEH!
<6> heh how new is that
<6> vs. how long did it go on before people notices
<6> noticed*
<15> ok, so "clear xlate" is a bad idea when you're on irc
<6> lots of stuff that has been knowable for a long time takes a while to become common knowledge
<2> causality : well... WGA does it. Media Player used to phone home to provide usage statistics (WMP9, I think).
<2> I can't think of any other MS products that phoned home.
<6> doesn't Office do this?
<2> it had to be activated. Not sure of any phone-home in office.
<2> (since OXP if I recall)
<2> google doesn't show anything for : microsoft office phone home
<16> hello
<6> bah i wish america would realize that whatever is most popular usually = ****
<2> s/usually/often/
<6> as though music and movies and books didn't make the point, we now have computing joining the fray...
<2> heh
<6> simmy: put it this way.. until proven otherwise.
<2> causality : well said.
<2> case in point... Paris Hilton has a billboard song, now.
<6> oh
<9> uhg
<6> she sings?
<6> i've only ever heard her moan.
<2> it sounds like they redubbed her voice a dozen times.
<2> HEH!
<2> it's up on google videos. Good luck... I could only stomach about 30 seconds of it.
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