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<0> especially when the K2s came out and they kicked up the bus speed instead of the multiplier..
<1> linuxhardware.com benchmarks show that they p4 core 2 duo is comparable with amd64 x2, only difference is that p4 is more expensive
<0> intel prices are outrageous.. but they almost have the market cornered so they can do that...
<2> i'm checking it. intel has always been better with encoding / decoding, but usually in gaming amd used to rule. but hell, now? - intel just kicks them so hard even in gaming
<3> There's amd too.
<4> intel owns the server market
<0> very true
<0> I really dont' like intel because of the **** they did to amd with dell...
<0> you know that month that dell offered amd processors...
<2> totally offtopic, but perhaps someone here would might give me an idea - ***uming i'm looking for a linux system / programmer job in the UK (or anywhere else in europe), is there any demand for such things?
<3> sure.
<5> malkodan, Lots of demand for programmers...
<0> fluent in C malkodan?
<6> how is it that I redirect syslog messages popping on my console... to other consoles? like tty1
<6> so it doens;t show in current console..?
<1> malkodan: o-hand.com is hiring
<2> i mainly did cpp lately, bits of stuff in c, wherever you touch stuff with the os
<3> cusco: Change syslog to report to /dev/ttySOMETHING instead of /dev/console
<2> balrog-kun, how big is the company? - i dont like big companies ;)
<0> the market isn't flooded with programmers like it is with everything else.. but most places just contract out for programming..
<6> jblack: anyway of doing it temp.?
<2> actually now i have a pretty interesting job, dealing with carrier grade video broadcasting to cellular, but if that ever falls apart, i'm not going to find another job in israel
<1> malkodan: some 6 programmers and some marketing people
<1> i'm not sure how many the marketing people are, i never talk to them
<2> balrog-kun, RND never like the marketting people anyway
<2> anyway, it's good to know that, in israel it's pretty hard to find interesting linux programming jobs
<6> well thats allright.. I just thought there was a way.. nevermind >P thanks
<2> to be honest, i'll never understand while new projects on gnu / linux are still started on c instaed of cpp
<7> because some of us want our programs to be developed quickly and run even quicker? :P
<3> malkodan: c++ is a harder language to learn.
<2> well, i'd say that the performance overhead between c and cpp is negligible, while with cpp complex stuff is easier to maintain, and then again you get many nice libraries, notablly boost and other
<2> jblack, common :)
<7> unless you write c using c++, c++'s overhead is not negligible, and it encourages even slower programming practices.
<2> as a case study i see gstreamer which is a very complex infrastructure, and the hell, it screams "write me in cpp!!!"
<2> furrywolf, slower, but easier to maintain
<2> oh, and safer, if i hadn't mention it
<7> properly written C can be easy to maintain, too. :)
<2> furrywolf, show me anything like that in the gnu / linux world
<7> bbl, I just walked by my computer and saw something to argue about, don't have time to chat for too long.
<2> furrywolf, :)
<3> Glad you're leaving.
<3> malkodan: Don't let him trick ya.
<2> jblack, trick? how exactly?
<3> Well, he's not entirely tricking you.
<3> C++ comes with all sorts of nifty things, like the STL.
<3> Its easy to write code that looks elegant, and runs like a pig.
<2> like a pig :)
<2> well, i believe that when writing m***es of code, elegance and readability would come before top notch performance
<3> hmmm.
<3> I wish that were the case. Sometimes it is.
<3> would you really want to wait 3 hours instead of 3 minutes, for the sake of easy to read source code?
<2> i would'nt mention embedded and kernel stuff. but take a look about many user land applications. take gnome and gtk as an example - it's a mess!!
<2> common, it's not 60 times slower
<3> Sometimes it is.
<3> gotos are generally seen in an inelegant light. A handful of well placed ones can change the runtime of a program by orders of magnitude.
<2> jblack, i agree, but would you want to try and understand what a bunch of gotos do in a very complex program? - i guess not
<2> well, i must admit that i once had a fight with someone in my company who at first changed some template code i had into macros, and then wrote a perl script using (hell) gotos!
<8> That really depends whether the optimiser ****s or not.
<2> i'm just staring at this code, and YUCK!
<3> I remember a story from a long time ago.
<8> And of course, whether there is any noticeable benefit anyway.
<3> Apple was working on the Mac. The original black&white one.
<3> And boot was taking much too long. So Steve made the rounds. Yelling at people to save every cycle possible.
<3> A real task-master I heard.
<2> but that's like ages ago, where much code was never written
<3> One of the things he said (and this is why I mention it).. . Is that he said something like "There's going to be a million of these on the street! If you save 10 seconds off of boot, you'll save xxx man years."
<3> "_Lives_ are on the line here man! Now speed it up!"
<2> LOL
<2> any way you'll look at it, ***embly generated from c would also look somewhat bloated
<2> but we won't ever write an enterprise grade software in asm, as it'll be hell too complex and impossible to maintain
<3> of course not.
<2> i wouldn't say - write in java, it's portable and all that, because java is way too slow comparing it to cpp or c
<3> If you're looking for a black and white issue... "which do you need? Elegance, Speed, or Both?"....
<3> Well, I'd say that its a balance, and that "it depends".
<2> most of the time if you're writing oss you'd like people to join, and then it's elegance
<2> it'll be extremly hard for people to join in if the code is really complex (but perhaps performance wise)
<3> The bazar codebase is elegant.
<3> It also runs like ****. THey're getting thier *** handed to them by git.
<3> Contributors start off as users.
<3> imho, of course. ;)
<9> hello guys
<3> hi
<9> jblack , see
<9> on my box, its 10 GB
<3> see pee pee?
<9> i added myself user
<9> then i logged into it , i came to make new dir it say
<9> Cannot mkdir: No space left on device
<3> That sounds self explanatory to me
<9> and there's much free space
<9> why is that then
<8> What do df and df -i tell you?
<9> /dev/hdv1 30720000 118496 30601504 1% /
<9> /data/services 9357536 1134920 8222616 13% /opt/lycos
<9> [root@huxor home]# df -i
<9> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
<9> /dev/hdv1 4388571 4174149 214422 96% /
<8> Lots of small files?
<9> btw
<9> the box is new
<9> i didnt do anything yet on it
<3> huxor: Why did you just flood my channel?
<3> You realize you have to leave now, right?
<9> i did not, its just 2 lines
<2> there are some inodes reserved to the superuser
<2> it's approximately 5% of space and inodes, usually
<9> only 2 lines
<3> No, It was 5 lines.
<9> 5 ?!~
<9> where
<2> huxor, tune2fs will help you
<9> i sent 2, then i wait aprox 5 seconds
<3> See the -m option to tune2fs.
<2> jblack, you're good, really :)
<8> I have no idea how anyone could have used so many inodes on a fresh install though.
<2> whythehell, well, i can only tell you we wanted to test once performace on an ext3 filesystem with many small files, i called the script mk-mess.sh, and that was the only time i've seen such a thing
<7> my inode use is only 6% on one drive and 1% on the other... and both drives are full byte-wise. one of the drives has a couple directories with lots (20,000+) of files...
<8> I mean, I have reached the limit on files in a directory when I was doing some fairly large processing, but 1% vs. 96% on what he said was a new install seems odd.
<2> you could always expect a filesystem to have lots of small files (more inode tables blocks on filesystem) but then you'll lose some space
<3> yeah. ext2 has annoying limits on files per directory.
<3> Its some unreasonally number in the tens of k.
<8> It caused ls to segfault.
<8> I reorganised to have subdirectories, naturally.
<2> jblack, and with reiser arrested, there's not so many attractive possibilities, i'm talking open source ones
<3> are you kidding?
<10> can anybody explain the difference between Synchronous and Asynchronous transmission in non-jargon language?
<1> when i say synchronous i mean blocking
<1> when i say asynchronous i mean non-blocking with a callback upon finishing
<2> anyms, non jargon language - in a sync mode you'll waste some time just waiting for the transmission to end and actually do nothing in that time (which can be a pretty long time considering processing time), in async transmission you're free to use that time on other important thing you'd like to process and handle the success or failure of the transmission only when it's over, and when you (or your program) feels like it
<11> bloody kleenex
<1> happy new year
<11> happy bloody kleenex
<12> oh, the cancer patient is back
<11> oh, the bloody kleenex is back
<13> i thought they cured him
<12> uh-huh, poor dude has three nostrils by now
<7> ammininal: ok, so I have to ask... why do you do this?
<11> because bloody kleenex
<1> you knew what the answer would be
<12> because he's an abused teenager looking for attention :)
<14> all work night?
<15> ok when i install mandriva 2007 (free) i installed gnome as my X would it be a pita to switch to KDE? (which i know fairly well)
<16> You can't install GNOME as X. X is the video server. GNOME runs on top of the video server as your desktop environment.
<15> Penguin thank you
<16> It's easy to switch from GNOME to KDE, though.
<16> Do you type 'startx' to run GNOME?
<15> nope automaticly goes there
<7> Penguin-: still want those transistors?
<15> still have to d/l and install kde
<16> lacroix: Do you have time to talk?
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