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<0> lol
<1> <toshiba> hi there, i have got a new acer laptop its running under linux everytime it boot it stops at the ordinary thing "[root@localhost~]#" and i cant get to see the interface.
<1> sorry.
<1> got disconnected.
<2> singlebeat: did you try startx like Al-Ashtar suggested
<1> command not found
<0> what distro ?
<2> Al-Ashtar: i don't think he even knows bro
<1> Linpus (Tettnang)
<0> I knew that when he said the ordinary thing "[root@localhost~]#"
<0> singlebeat: type uname -a
<1> heh :D
<1> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.15.4lp #10 PREEMPT Thu Feb 23 04:57:42 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
<0> ok I don't know this distro hehehe
<0> Cognition: any idea ?
<2> Al-Ashtar: not uname
<2> cat /proc/version
<2> or cat /etc/issue
<1> yes i did issue
<0> singlebeat: type those
<1> Linpus (Tettnang)
<3> uname -a can make it too. isn't it?
<2> no
<3> ok but it's working for me
<1> Linpus 3.4.2-6lp
<3> /etc/issue is more appropriate though
<2> cipherd, if you read the man pages for uname
<1> anyways
<2> you would realize that the distro information is not included
<1> its a brandnew laptop
<1> i dont know what to do.
<3> what brand singlebeat ?
<1> acer
<3> hmm
<4> ciphred do u have mpad?
<4> i need it
<4> :)
<2> singlebeat: paste exactly what you get when you type cat /etc/issue
<1> Linpus (Tettnang)
<1> Kernel \r on an\m
<1> thats it
<0> The code name of Fedora Core 2 is reportedly " Tettnang "
<2> ok, the documentation indicates that Linpus comes with x-window using KDE
<2> singlebeat: did you try startx?
<2> oh, command not found
<2> nevermind
<1> yeah
<2> and no xinit?
<1> yeah
<2> very well
<1> the same
<2> you don't have x-window installed on your machine
<2> you need to install it
<2> i'm not sure of the packaging system in your distro
<2> do you have either command apt-get or yum?
<1> both command not found :D
<3> then singlebeat just cleansheet your box and install ubuntu or debian in it
<3> :) simple
<3> it'll make your life lot easier and cooler
<5> my life is already easy, what do you suggest for that?
<2> singlebeat: is that your own personal computer, or work related?
<2> singlebeat: because the distro you're using is not only costs money, but seems to be a rather ugly one
<3> poutine: you should take a break and go out on a walk :)
<1> yes my own personal but iam sure there is a way
<2> singlebeat: yes there is a way
<1> its just new i just bought it
<1> i guess i have to install something
<2> singlebeat: the way is to download the source, install it, load the modules, and a ****load of work
<1> usually laptops without installation
<0> singlebeat: yes you need to install fedora core or ubuntu
<2> so you have to compile, and do lots of work, unless you have some packaging system which i can't locate
<1> it has an operating system
<1> i need to use it.
<1> aha
<2> singlebeat: do you have information that is absolutely necessary on your PC?
<0> are you a newbie to linux ?
<0> wait don't answer
<0> stupid question
<5> Al-Ashtar, what is your cl***ification of newbie? last I check you were a bit of one yourself?
<0> I'm still one
<0> and I'll always be one :)
<3> Al-Ashtar: don't be so rude to yourself
<0> when you're a newbie you can ask stupid question and people won't get mad at ya :D
<2> Al-Ashtar: nope, you can better better than all of us, just pickup a book and read it
<3> no Al-Ashtar not exactly
<0> being a newbie is fun
<3> when you are a newbie you gotta read catb.org through first
<0> but hard
<3> sure it's the experience that comes rarely in a lifetime
<2> actually, 99% of the time, i never ask a question here, i'd rather discover it myself, it's more enjoyable that way
<6> Cognition: much more so.
<6> i usually ask questions when i have put effort into something and it's getting frustrating and no longer so fun
<7> what I like most is how Al-Ashtar now yells at people for being ****ing stupid, when before he yelled at me for yelling at them. :P
<3> lolss @ randyg
<6> man if you ever want to see just how dumb-as-a-****ing-rock people can be, try working tech support
<0> LOL randyg
<5> I troll most of the time, and may provide one or two intuitive answers, but I don't see the point in giving away support for free when it's one of the only ways to make money off linux
<0> I don't yell at people :((
<6> "sir, right-click with your RIGHT MOUSE BUTTON and tell me what you see .... no sir you double-clicked with the left..."
<3> poutine: that's how redhat generates it's revenue
<6> yeah but to clarify something. individual users like you and me aren't redhat's bread and butter; the support is more important to corporations
<6> PHBs like to see that
<5> causality, another reason why I don't help people here
<6> how's that
<0> that's just selfish
<5> how is it selfish? I rtfm, you should too
<6> in a way you are actually NOT doing a user any favors if you give them easy answers when they clearly are unwilling to rtfm
<0> before you learned to rtfm you asked questions too
<2> personally, the only reason i help, is because i learn a lot through the process
<5> there are rarely questions in here which aren't specifically addressed somewhere easily accessible on google, most of the time the helpers are just googling too
<0> so should I
<6> but if the question indicates that just rtfm won't work for them, it makes sense to help them
<2> the minute i stop learning, i won't visit this channel anymore
<7> causality: my favorite are people who tell you definitively that something is NOT on the screen, when it's right in front of them. "Click on FOO" "There is no FOO on the screen" "are you sure? It should be..." "No, I'm telling you, MY SCREEN DOES NOT SAY FOO!!! Don't you ****ing tell me I'm wrong when I tell you something you ****ing moron support person!" "Ok, your screen must be different than mine, what does your screen say?" "Bar
<7> grr. "Ok, your screen must be different than mine, what does your screen say?" "Bar, quux, foo... oh, look, there it is!"
<6> i think a lot of the problem is that M$ has sold people on the idea that a computer is just another appliance and it's really hard for sheeple to get over that marketing dream
<5> the reason why support is so difficult for linux is there is a lack of standards
<6> no
<5> yes
<6> i meant deeper than that
<6> i mean the reason why people choose to be helpless
<3> poutine: linux was meant for freedom not standards
<6> 12 years of public schooling teaching you that learning = rote memorization really didn't help either
<3> surely causality
<6> a student could have an IQ of 80 and a perfect photographic memory and any school would consider him an absolute genius
<5> cipherd, the old chaos vs. order debate huh?
<6> i don't see such a big problem with lack of standards though
<3> no poutine just a recall of fact
<3> no debates
<3> :)
<2> I do
<6> BIND's config file takes the same options whether it's on Gentoo, Debian, or OpenBSD
<5> causality, but you don't know where BIND lies on any given linux distribution
<6> (not that i would ever use bind.. but you see my point)
<2> lack of standards turns off many regular users who would otherwise be able to break off from microsoft
<6> that's what "whereis" and "locate" are for
<6> this is trivial
<5> causality, ok what would you 'whereis' for?
<5> and who is to say the other binaries will be in the same spot?
<3> poutine: but you know how to look for bind in any given distro
<0> ok I'll be honest guys
<0> many people turn away from linux because of the lake of help
<2> Anyway, i see a bright future for the open source movement.
<0> I don't mean that in a bad way
<6> Al-Ashtar: the lack of handholding you mean.
<3> Al-Ashtar: no. exactly because of lack of self learning
<5> you don't know how BIND is supposed to be started (distribution specific startup scripts)
<6> rewarding dependency is not helping anyone
<2> ok, all kinds of theories are getting thrown here
<6> poutine: perhaps not, but it's not like it would be difficult to find out
<2> i'll take a while to observe :)
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