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<0> Kuwaitis are understanding of americans, you mean?
<1> lol
<2> LOL, i don't think of kuwaitis like that!
<1> they understand eachother
<1> :P
<2> they're sure as hell not understanding of me
<3> no Americans are understanding
<3> they don't eat/drink/smoke in public
<0> Yeah. I was understanding too.
<2> everytime i land over there, i pick up the list of things i shouldn't say and things i shouldn't do
<0> We were warned that we could go to jail for misbehaving.
<1> jblack, In saudia or kuwait ?
<0> SA. I've never been to Kuwait.
<1> yeah, because all of people in SA muslims
<3> many people don't realize that they don't have to do it, but I like this nice gesture or how ever you spell that
<0> SA, UAE & Bahrain.
<1> we have chrisitians citizens so some people smoke/eat during ramadan
<4> non muslims aren't even allowed to go to SA except on business
<4> and are NEVER allowed into mecca
<2> SA, that's hell on earth
<3> yeah mecca is a holy ground for muslims
<0> Yeah. The reason I was there was because our ship ran aground while leaving Bahrain and we needed to make emergency repair.
<1> benjy, non muslims have nothing to do in the mecca
<4> Al-Ashtar: so what? jerusalem is holy ground for jews. bethlehem is holy ground for christians. doesn't mean other people are excluded!
<4> of course i would expect non-muslims to go along with local religions/cultural requirements (eg removing shoes in a mosque)
<2> SA i probably the worst country on the planet, probably worse than Taliban and Iran
<4> but it's wrong to exclude people altogether on the basis of their religion
<0> benjy: I think thats ok.
<2> not more threatening, just worse
<2> sigh, that large trout is still around!
<0> Yeah. I'm trying to decide whether to toss him or not
<0> The earth is a big place. If muslims want to carve out a small corner just for muslims, then thats fine by me.
<2> Well, that's definitely not fine by me
<4> ok... but imagine what the worldwide outcry would be if christians decide to ban non-christians from rome?
<2> Religion was shoved down my throat when i was a kid
<4> or from the vatican
<0> There's a difference in scale between mecca and rome.
<3> benjy: yeah I understand, but jerusalem is a holy place for muslims too. and I never heard of bethlehem before. I never entered a church in my life
<2> no freedom of speech, no respect for human rights, no liberty whatsoever!! **** that ****
<0> But yeah, if the catholics banned non-catholics from the vatican, I'd be ok with that.
<4> Al-Ashtar: bethlehem is where jesus was born. and i wont get into the nonsense of islamic claims to judiasm.
<5> jblack : james .. i miss You
<0> I don't agree with the closing of border for the country. Just mecca.
<3> oh I didn't know that benjy
<3> if that's true then bethlehem is a holy place for muslims too
<1> Al-Ashtar, both live there christians and muslims
<4> see, this is the thing with islam, it puts claims to ALL religious holy sites, even non-muslim ones
<1> i think jews and palestinians atm
<3> it doesn't put claim, you don't get it
<4> nah, very few jews in bethlehem
<4> and most christians have left since the palestinian authority took control
<3> it's just palestine
<4> it's largely muslim now
<1> yeah settlements i guess
<2> benjy: i don't see any claims from any other religions less rediculous
<1> benjy, why? there is christians also in the gaza strip and they live fine
<4> Cognition: no, you're right in principle. but you see what he just said? that as soon as it's a christian site... "oh, it must be a muslim site too"
<1> aha
<3> hehehe benjy I didn't mean that in a bad way
<6> benjy: You don't know what you're talking about
<2> benjy: that's because the jews and muslims hate each other's guts, and just want to fight over everything like two kids each saying mine mine mine
<4> Cognition: no it's not that.
<4> it's because islam claims to recognise all jewish and christian prophets, they can also lay claim to all jewish and christian holy sites
<4> jews have never tried to lay claim to mecca!
<6> benjy: because jew's don't believe in the creator
<3> benjy: islam respects all prophets before our prophet and we believe in all of them, so any place that has to do with any prophet would be holy to us, not owned by us. there is a big difference
<2> benjy: well, i know they do. However, they cannot claim it as a "muslim" site due to that reason
<4> Cognition: i'm jewish. i dont hate muslims.
<6> benjy: aha
<6> explained.
<2> benjy: to claim a muslim site, it has to contain a muslim heritage, not just a jewish or christian one
<2> Look, Israel and the neighbouring countries is where all religions were born
<2> all major ones anyway
<0> And look what it did for peace in that part of the world.
<2> so major kick*** fighting occured there over the centuries
<4> Cognition: no, islam was born in saudi arabia... hence why mecca is there. but the muslims, despite having mecca and medina, have to lay a claim to jerusalem too
<2> holy wars have been going on there since forever, it's not just palestine vs israel
<7> benjy If you dont know about things then do not comment about it
<6> lay a claim how benjy?
<2> benjy: it expanded soon after all over the place
<0> zico: Perhaps you can workd that differently
<4> m0b: claiming, for example, that the jewish temple never existed
<3> jerusalem was the place where muslims used to pray to before mecca become one
<2> benjy: muslims have as much heritage in that land (if not more) as jews and christians
<1> Jerusalem is a muslim place , Soliman who build it
<2> for me, it's just a bunch of holy people killing each other (fine by me)
<8> Man, I hate buggy software
<0> Ok guys.
<1> i think jewish never wanted the jerusalem as a place they keep digin for the Soliman ring to control the world
<0> I don't like where this is going. Its time to wrap up this conversation.
<2> j
<0> Lets talk about something safer.
<2> j/k
<2> i'm hungry
<0> I say that some day the xanarians are going to come from outer space and eat us all for food
<2> Al-Ashtar: you owe me a dinner remember
<3> anyway, benjy I like you to much not to get you mad or even to make you hold back. so I'm not going on with this discussion. the difference in opinion shall not come between any two people
<0> Al-Ashtar: I called an end to the discussion. Please, lets discuss something else
<1> lets talk about having 4 wifes
<8> No
<2> LOL
<8> No more religion, please.
<3> oh sorry I was typing this long time ago
<3> LOL
<1> u know
<2> i'd rather have a wife and a mistress
<3> let's talk about how linux has improved and pulling lots of windows users more and more everyday
<3> it's not that I was here before to know how was it back then
<9> I'd like to see more OS X users switching to Linux.
<3> imo *most* windows users look for easiness in an os
<8> Why, the_ruthless ?
<2> sigh, XGL has been standing still for months
<2> development has been going kinda slow after the first demonstration by David Raveman
<3> there is even an all arabic version of ubuntu
<3> localized
<9> _popeye_: because the Mac has too many users, most of them who would be better of using Linux for their day to day needs. x86 hardware for half the price of their Mac, and easy flashy, fancy desktops are available.
<3> with the start menu in arabic and all
<3> I was really amazed
<2> Al-Ashtar: check arabeyes.org
<3> I did
<3> but this was different
<8> Well, considering the *nix substrate and easy to use GUI, I'd find that a greater number fo users would prefer OS X
<2> but you can have full support on any language (including arabic) with any distro by just altering the localization
<9> _popeye_: but I've used OS X, I 've worked with it, and really come to hate it. I find it lacking.
<8> lacking what?
<2> i think OS X is a real neat and powerful system
<2> it's just that not being free turns me off
<3> jblack: SCO's Expert Marc Rochkind Uses Ubuntu Linux as a Server!
<9> The system feels limited. The user experience feels limited. The system keeps you from doing things.
<8> Cognition : OpenDarwin + XFree
<3> jblack: Mac guru and software developer Mark Pilgrim recently switched to Ubuntu Linux
<9> And then there's the need to reboot every second or third day...
<8> the_ruthless : be more specific. There's nothing, so far, that I *can't* do on OS X
<2> SCO is composed of a bunch of greedy bastards
<0> Al-Ashtar: I'm busy.
<0> sorry
<3> oh, sorry
<8> And I haven't had to reboot "every second or third day"
<9> _popeye_: there are probably a whole bunch of people that can do well with OS X, doing what they want, not having to reboot often.
<0> Ok. done.
<9> I worked as a graphics designer, though, and the system would be sluggish after some days use. Also, there is much left to be desired in the ways of file management, I think.
<0> Al-Ashtar: Yeah . Didn't he recently write a paper?
<8> I don't know why you'd have to reboot that frequently. System hang ups are rare, at best, and when they do occur, it's not an issue as the HFS+ filesystem is journaled, much like reiserfs or ext3
<3> yes exactly
<0> I don't know much about os x. I do know of some of the flaws of HFS+, and they're bad.
<9> _popeye_: I've noticed this. It looks like it's quite random, but some people never encounter the BSOD-like crash on OS X, while some have them more often.
<8> the_ruthless : one man's trash is another man's treasure, however.
<9> Obviously.
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