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<0> do it
<1> First, vmware is proprietary and gives taint problems with the kernel.
<0> dont go back
<0> yeah cause windows aint propietary
<1> Second, there's a performance hit.
<2> yea
<0> and its fine
<0> and less excuse when folks like xen are partnered with m4
<0> do it
<1> Oh, I see what you're saying. run vmware in linux to run windows?
<2> yea that's what he's saying
<0> use linux
<3> well, i'll add a third, he needs to evaluate and see if he's comfortable with Linux, maybe it's not for him
<0> Cognition: oh its for him
<0> its for everyone ;)
<3> Cancel: of course not :)
<0> i just decided
<1> Does vmware require any special drivers or such when the host os is linux?
<0> no
<4> kernel headers
<3> nope
<1> hmmm.
<5> good morning
<0> all inclusive
<3> Routermen: yo, long time
<2> hah, yea i've used the live cds, but it's sorta slow cuz it has to read the cd every time i click something and it can't save files or get some drivers to work instantly
<0> as soon as they made it "free" I ditched my dual boots
<1> Then I guess if you have to run windows, its just one more thing in a big proprietary pile...
<5> Cognition: heya.. whats up ?
<1> I see your logic.
<0> i mean would you rather run both at same time
<4> you won't be playing Doom3 on Windows in vmware though
<0> or leave your good working OS everytime ya nee to do something
<0> nivek: actually you could
<2> yea, i kinda want windows partitionfor some games
<0> nivek: as its not emulation its virtualization and fyi heavier things then doom are done in vm's
<4> um
<0> nivek: like real corporate work
<4> Have you seen the insane requirements for Doom3?
<3> i prefer qemu or bochs over vmware
<2> insane requirements? they aren't insane anymore...
<0> then you are crazy
<0> qemu and bochs are both emulation
<0> emulation is alway slower then virtualization
<0> you obvioulsy havent done all 3
<0> I have
<0> bochs is like 1/200 speed
<0> qemu is 1/50
<3> Cancel: you need to sit on some ice and cool down :)
<0> vm is 1/1
<5> virtualization = logical partition
<0> and I've screenshots of me running terminal server on all 3
<0> Cognition: so again not something I read , beeen there, done it got the screenshots
<4> vmware is not 1/1
<3> Cancel: check the acceleration module on qemu
<0> Cognition: been there done it
<0> http://cancel.kicks-***.net/public/guest/screenshots/qemu-2k3-1.jpg
<2> lol, cancel kicks ***?
<3> Cancel: well then, i'll keep humbly learning from your wisdom, and go quiet :)
<4> dynip :)
<0> me running qem with acceleration and connecting to the terminal server its running from another machine
<0> its painful
<0> and bochs is even worse
<0> its no xen or vmware
<0> and yes done pearpc as well
<2> so cancel, you can run intensive windows games on vmware?
<0> not a virtualizer I can think of I havent run
<0> RaZorro: yes
<0> dont even think about it on qemu or bochs
<2> with very little performance hit?
<0> RaZorro: just a tad what you need most is mucho memory
<3> actually, the best thing used for gaming is Cedega
<0> my other qemu
<0> v
<0> http://cancel.kicks-***.net/public/guest/screenshots/qemu-2k3-2.jpg
<3> Cancel: fire as many claims as you wish against that :)
<2> i have 2 gigs
<4> actually, the best thing to use for gaming is a real instance of the OS
<2> doesn't cedega cost money?
<0> bochs http://cancel.kicks-***.net/public/guest/screenshots/bochsxp.jpg
<2> lol, nivek
<3> yes it does
<3> but then again, so are the games you're going to use
<2> yea money doesnt' sound good
<0> nivek: thats best but if you're going all linux a real vm will work
<2> well... yes... they... cost..money
<0> Cognition: also networking and sound are borked in bochs adn qemu
<3> you're using propreitary for proprietary, same **** in different cans.
<0> Cognition: and on a good day qemu is 1/2 speed
<0> and thats with the planets all lined up right and you dont have sound turned on
<2> are we really getting into this much depth about the exact speed of these programs? isn't this argument kinda pointless
<0> the bochs shots are on windows but i've ran all the aformentioend emulators vms on windows and linux and installed windows and linux in both on both platforms
<5> you guys should have use IBM's MVS , they really kick ***
<5> thats the real virtualisation
<3> Cancel: you know, if you want to avoid emulation alltogether, then wine is your choice
<0> Cognition: not really
<0> wine doesnt do devices
<0> also doesnt do activex .net etc
<0> also been there done that
<3> Cancel: did you try wine tools / extensions?
<0> Cognition: been there done that
<3> Cancel: any thing you didn't do before :)
<4> admit when he's wrong :)
<0> Cognition: only the things that havent come out yet as soon as they do I'll try those
<5> hehe
<0> nivek: actually i've done that
<2> how good can those programs for linux read ntfs files?
<0> nivek: i admited I was wrong and turns out I was wrong about that
<4> I know, just yankin yer chain
<3> nivek: LOL, well said.
<0> RaZorro: things like captive well
<0> nivek: was this one time I thought I was wrong, turns out I was wrong about that
<0> nivek: in hear though I'm rarely wrong as I talk about things I've actually done not read so when I speak here I have actually already done it
<3> Cancel: one thing for sure, you do enjoy arguing :)
<0> here rather
<0> Cognition: no argument about it
<0> its matter of fact
<0> you accept the fact or you do not
<3> Cancel: we go way way back in arguing :)
<3> but nevermind, i'm cool :)
<5> what are we argung about again ?
<0> so I call BS on folks here a lot
<0> then they get mad
<0> then I show them I've done it
<0> then they get madder
<0> then we kiss and make up
<3> Cancel: i'm not mad, if anything, you're the one who's steamy at the moment :)
<5> Cancel: you should have showed them that you've done it .. and then call the BS ..
<0> Cognition: youv'e never seen me steamed
<2> but windows, with some extra software can read and write just fine to the linux partition?
<3> Cancel: oh yes i have, you got a +b for that :)
<0> Routermen: nah as most folks dont need that
<0> most folks just take the instruction
<0> and say thanks
<3> Routermen: hey there
<0> Cognition: nah that was someone else steamed
<0> Cognition: note teh difference
<3> LOL
<5> Cancel: I'm talking about people who you tend to call them BS .. anyway what are we arguing about ?
<2> did anyone see my question?
<0> Routermen: we're not arguing about anything we are just yacking
<3> Routermen: do you really wanna go through this yourself too :)
<5> RaZorro: yes theres a windows software that can mount linux's partition pretty well
<0> Cognition: prefering emulation to virtualization
<0> tells me he's not used virtualization or hypervisors
<6> is there an application which can extract strings from a running (but frozen) X application?
<0> robert_: a debugger
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