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<0> Cool.
<1> the_ruthless: I just moved in to my parents since last June
<0> I'll probably be offline for a week or so, starting tomorrow (most likely).
<1> until I would find a place
<1> COOL
<1> PARTIES ALL NIGHT
<1> I mean, we're gonna miss you
<0> "Party all night, sleep all day, it's fun to be a vampire."
<0> Yeah, sure you are. ;P
<0> So, anyway, how long 'till you get that state financed house?
<1> 3 years gone
<1> 7 to go
<1> hehe
<0> Aye.
<1> how much would a flat like this cost in Norway ?
<0> And yeah, I'll try to read up on Linux things and be more helpful in the future, thank you for asking, Al.
<0> How big is it? In meters?
<0> And how close to a city?
<1> it's the whole 2nd floor
<0> Width x length?
<1> for a house built on 400 m^2
<1> but the building it self isn't 400 m^2
<0> How much it'd cost to buy it or to rent it?
<1> to buy ! maybe 120,000 KD
<1> a bit more
<1> how much would it cost to rent in Norway ?
<0> If it is "downtown", close to the center of the city, and fairly new, I'd say something like 3,000,000 NOK.
<0> House prices in Norway is ****ed up.
<1> !
<1> how much is that in KD
<0> I'll check.
<0> 140,000KD.
<0> To buy.
<0> If you're lucky.
<1> yeah maybe the same here too
<1> but I'm talking about rent here
<0> If there is "bidding" on the apartment, the price could quickly reach 331,000KD or so. *Sighs*
<0> I don't know much about rent prices.
<1> I got this one for $1100
<0> Perhaps something ranging from 660KD to 1400KD a month, depending on how new it is.
<1> wow
<1> no I got it for 320 KD
<0> AFAIK Tokyo and perhaps New York is the only places that's more expensive than Oslo and Tromsoe. *Sighs*
<0> Al-Ashtar: funny thing, though, if one chooses to live more rurally, same standard apartment could cost perhaps 29,000KD to buy... It's crazy.
<1> rurally ?
<0> A distance out of the city. Less people, less houses, more forest.
<1> whythehell in Kuwait it's the same price
<1> 400 KD
<1> to rent
<2> That was the cheapest I found at the first estate agent to buy.
<1> to buy !
<1> wait we have an agency who's selling UK apartments in london
<1> If I run into it, I'll get you some info
<2> So 470,000KD to buy this four bedroom apartment. And it's the cheapest they have. Some of that size are over twice the price.
<3> How about some Linux discussion?
<2> Al-Ashtar: It's okay, I was only looking to give the comparison; I can't afford to live in London.
<1> oh
<1> a show of hands, who likes having a big family ?
<1> \o/
<1> ooooooooookay
<3> What happened to your neck, body, and legs?
<1> it's hidden under the desk
<1> \o/ /'o'\ /o_ /o\
<0> I won't do the song.
<1> Oh, c'mon you know you want to.
<3> I need a program to help me create a web page. I want to be able to draw it out and see what it will look like and then have the program generate the HTML for me. What program should I use?
<0> Okay. OKAY! "It's always fun staying at the YMCA..."
<0> p3nguin: Macromedia Dreamweaver?
<1> Front Page
<0> For a nuclear rocket?
<0> p3nguin: Dreamweaver has proven itself to be the best of the best.
<1> you didn't say it was nuclear
<3> Okay. There's nothing for Linux?
<0> I think Quanta Plus comes with most distros...
<0> I haven't yet seen anything that remotely compares to the Dreamweaver, though.
<3> I can't make it do anything useful.
<1> p3nguin: doesn't StarOffice have an application like Frontpage ?
<3> It can't even insert a color tag.
<3> (quanta plus)
<3> It can generate a color code in hex, but cannot insert a tag for it.
<2> Hrrrm.
<0> p3nguin: I've just looked at it once, clicking about for a few minutes, then deciding I'd be better off using Kate and coding myself.
<3> I can do a pretty basic page by hand, but I want to get into frames and tables and that's more work than I want to write myself.
<1> p3nguin: http://www.nvu.com/index.php
<0> If you want frames and bad code and such, FrontPage would be fairly easy to use. ;P
<1> Finally! A complete Web Authoring System for Linux desktop users as well as Microsoft Windows and Macintosh users to rival programs like FrontPage and Dreamweaver. Nvu (which stands for "new view") makes managing a web site a snap
<2> Tables aren't particularly hard work.
<3> Just a lot of typing that I don't want to do.
<1> maybe that's what you're looking for
<0> Nested tables and nested, nested tables with advanced layout can be messy work.
<3> Plus I would have to look at a lot of examples to do it right.
<2> That's your own fault for nesting tables, really.
<0> Yeah. One shouldn't use tables for anything else than table information. DIV tags are good.
<1> back
<1> sorry
<0> Okay, I hate Adobe now. http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/
<1> p3nguin will Nvu do ?
<3> I think maybe.
<3> I'm about to get it and install it.
<3> I'm not too happy about this: 3. Uncompress-untar the sources tar xfj nvu-1.0-sources.tar.bz2 This creates a directory called mozilla
<3> WTF would you have a program called nvu extract into a directory called mozilla?
<0> Sounds pretty shady.
<3> I understand that it is released uder the Mozilla Public Licence, but can you imagine if every program that was released under GPL was extracted into a directory called general?
<2> Or gnu, come to that.
<1> how about BlueFish
<0> I'd never install software, then.
<3> Bluefish doesn't do much better than Quanta Plus.
<3> I have that already.
<2> It uses gecko, but that still doesn't quite explain it.
<1> ok what about Amaya
<3> Is it better than nvu?
<0> Probably why he has the voice. ;D
<1> how about http://xemacs.org/index.html
<1> whythehell yup
<3> I wasn't asking because I can't google. I asked because I was hoping someone had experience with software and could tell me what was good to use.
<4> does resize2fs take lots of time?
<1> I have no experience in html editing
<1> hehe
<0> p3nguin: well, you know what I think.
<1> but hey
<1> 4 eyes keeping a watch is better than 2
<5> GtG
<3> the_ruthless: You think I should use Dreamweaver.
<3> I probably will end up with it, but I want to try nvu first.
<0> p3nguin: as I know it is most likely by far the best piece of software out there.
<3> I'm leaning that way, as well.
<1> back
<1> sorry another disconnection
<1> yeah I said something about 4 eyes
<3> Al-Ashtar: We don't know when you disconnect, so you don't have to say you're back.
<1> did I miss anything ?
<0> Now, wouldn't you want to know... ;P (No.)
<1> I know, I said back so that you guys would understand if a question was directed to me and you guys were wondering why the hell am I not answering. it's because I was disconnected
<2> Al-Ashtar: Why do you have an apparantly permanent connection if you can't scroll back?
<2> That's just silly.
<1> whythehell it only keeps private/notice logs
<2> It's still silly.
<1> like if I'm not online and someone msgs me. i get that msg
<1> yeah, now to think of it
<1> I agree
<1> I'm gonna play football today, it's been a long time since the last time I played :/
<2> At least I get to see everything that happens when I'm disconnected by using screen and irssi.
<0> Who are you gonna play with, Al-Ashtar?
<1> the_ruthless dolls
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