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<0> if you were, you would have noticed them checking you out long before the actual attempt was made
<1> i do'nt like people to think i'm a thug!
<0> well if you get high quality boots the steel will not show
<0> these are titanium which is same deal only a bit lighter
<0> i mostly got them because i love to hike trails
<1> I did hear a nightmare story that if a bus runs over your steel toe cap boots then your toes go
<0> a bus yeah
<0> but it will protect you from a car doing the same
<0> although the little pamphlet you get with the boots does tell you that if something like that happens, you need to replace the boots
<1> well, I like to run in front of buses , make it a close call! I hate bus drivers enough that I like to give them a fright
<0> are you trying to win a Darwin Award ?
<1> hehe
<2> FredPitcher2: if the pressure is right .. it just may give away more than your toes
<1> yeah.. i'd cross the road more safely if i wore them and a bus was coming towards me
<0> or worse, you might cause the bus to make a sudden maneuver that could get another driver killed
<0> how will you sleep at night if that happens?
<1> bus drivers in britain are very selfish
<1> nasty people
<1> in london anyway.. THey're ok in the countryside
<0> then they are MORE likely to do something stupid
<1> i'd be suprised if they swerved and hit another car!
<1> they'd probably plough right into me !
<3> is slackware considered out of date, old stuff nowadays (do u suggest me to try it anyway)?
<1> or try
<2> FredPitcher2: you havent been to my country .. here .. bus drivers are thugs and ex convict
<0> man just do drugs if you want a quick thrill or something
<4> i_coded_my_girl_friend_in_C: distrowatch.org
<0> why do things that can get others killed
<4> and slackware 10.2 isnt exactly old
<1> i would never do things that get others killed. If i am crossing with somebody else i'm very safe
<0> btw **** like that is why i could never live in a large city
<1> if anybody else is behind me , i don't want them to follow. so i'm fareful then
<0> i feel imprisoned enough in suburbia
<1> Routermen: which country is that?
<2> FredPitcher2: malaysia
<0> but living in a place where eye contact is considered to be a form of aggression would drive me nuts
<4> look em dead in the eyes
<1> that is tricky.. there are coutnries where they give thugs jobs they really shoudln't have
<4> who gives thugs jobs?
<1> you know in israel they give thugs the job of being riot police.. it's aweful..
<1> in malaysia , Routermen said
<0> that's what most police are. they're thugs that happen to be on "our side"
<1> they give thugs jobs are bus drivers
<1> causality: in britain police are friendly
<1> people ask them directions, say hello when they go past them
<1> they're called "bobbies" the friendly bobby on the beat!
<0> and in USA we have this love affair with the military and i really don't understand that. to quote bill hicks, "Excuse me, AREN'T Y'ALL HIRED KILLERS?"
<5> cancel: You're wrong on something
<4> FredPitcher2: really?
<1> causality: well, that's not quite a fair comment. no doubt you realise killing an evil person can be good
<1> Cancel: yes, you know the Y***am beat up many religious jews, cracked their heads open , broke their arms. in amona
<5> FredPitcher2: Two wrongs make a right?
<0> look if you really examine recent history you will find that the only countries which threaten us are countries we have armed first.
<4> FredPitcher2: its at the least utilitarian and expedient
<0> look at iran-contra and desert storm/shield
<2> i would have avoid eye contact at any cause ..
<0> for a great example
<4> FredPitcher2: there are enough to actually beat up?
<1> oh, you're referring to generally killing an evil person..
<1> Cancel: there are whole religious areas
<4> FredPitcher2: there are enough to actually beat up?
<5> Well, hold up fred. Think about this.....
<1> Cancel: yes.. of course.. whole towns
<4> FredPitcher2: being fascetious there if you know the population is 90+% secular you get the jist
<5> It sounds to me as if you're trying to apply the exception rules of the three laws of robotics to the ten commandments.
<1> Cancel: not mea sharim, not the settlement of amona
<1> those are 90+% religious
<4> FredPitcher2: I'm talking whole poplulation
<1> jblack: oh it was long ago when I read isaac asimov!
<0> bah if it were up to me we would evacuate the holy land, and then place tactical nukes all over it and turn it into gl***. and tell all three groups in the area "you kiddies couldn't stop fighting over this toy so we have taken it away from you"
<4> so again if you know that you get the jist
<4> causality: wont work they'd fight over the ash
<5> Ahh. Thought I was politely being encouraged to keep my nose out of this one. :)
<4> its my ash
<4> no its mine
<0> haha i doubt they'd fight over the radioactive fallout
<4> causality: they would
<4> causality: and not kidding there
<5> FredPitcher2: Your general statement is killing evil people isn't bad, right?
<0> it would be uninhabitable for some time
<1> jblack: right.. it's easy for individuals
<0> like Chernobyl, anyone who tried to live there would quickly die from thryoid cancer and the like
<1> but war against antoher country doesn't come into that category
<5> In the same way that a robot can violate the third rule (don't allow yourself to come to harm) when the first rule (don't harm humans) can trump it.
<2> evil is in the eye of the beholder ...
<5> In simpler terms, that by performing one evil (murder), you prevent more evil (lots of murders). Correct?
<0> ah well we don't war against other countries, that's old-fashioned. we declare war on nebulous and difficult-to-define ideas like the "war on terror" so that we can have the war going on for as long as is needed to increase the powers of the executive branch
<1> jblack: well, no. klling an evil person is not evil
<4> causality: actually the legislators have the real power the executive branch simply executes
<5> That's where you want to start from?
<5> Your initial argument is that killing people is not evil?
<4> causality: the executers are the enforcers of the legistlative and judiciary
<0> Cancel: which is why you need a war to convince the legislative branch to expand executive powers
<2> there is better way to solve problem than killing each other ..
<0> yes i know basic ****ing separation of powers.
<5> Ok. I can take that one on if you're interested.
<1> jblack: no, nto that killing people is not evil. it depends on the people, what they are doing
<4> causality: nah war is for business not executive branch
<0> but you need a great excuse to get around that, and an unending war is a great way to do that
<1> jblack: yeah, go on
<4> causality: do your history think about all the major wars of the world
<4> causality: money
<5> So its not that they're just evil, but that they are evil people in the act of committing an evil act?
<1> jblack: the evil act makes them evil
<1> to decipher if the act is evil, depends partly on the target, the motive
<5> So... If I kill someone today, my life is forfeit?
<0> Cancel: i meant things like the Patriot Act and the warrentless surveillance
<4> causality: well thats not executive branch is it, nope
<0> to me those are a much bigger threat than Halliburton getting exclusive contracts in the middle east and lining their pockets
<1> jblack: not if the person was coming to kill you and you acted in self defence.. what you did was good, not evil. you haven't forfeited your life
<0> yes, the warrantless surveillance is a huge increase of executive powers.
<1> you won your life!
<0> they found a way to eliminate the oversight of the judicial branch
<5> Ok. So if I kill someone that isn't about to kill me, then my life is forfeit?
<0> which is quite dangerous
<1> jblack: you mean your life is taken? or deserves to be taken?
<2> what about the quotes " INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" .. the americans had lauched an attack to IRAQ without any hard evidance to prove that they are guilty on owning WMD
<6> at Routermen.
<0> which is bull**** because the police can already do an emergency wiretap, collect the evidence, and then, after the fact, go to a judge and get a warrant for that evidence that makes it admissable in court
<1> jblack: so, i'm asking what you mean by your life is forfeit
<5> You're asking what forfeit means? Imagin it as a coupon for "kill me free of morality concerns"
<0> they already have the needed powers
<0> so this is nothing but a power grab.
<1> jblack: no, i'm not saying that a murderer deserves to be killed after the act
<0> and please, talk with me here. no need for private message
<1> i'm saying that a "to be" muderer deserves to be killed before the act
<5> Hmmm. You seem to be getting further and further away from a concrete statement.
<5> Oh, So you can kill me if I plan on someone else?
<0> FredPitcher2: that's why states which allow conceal-carry permits have experienced large reductions in violent crime
<4> minority report
<1> jblack: yes
<4> causality: big fan
<0> criminals want helpless victims who will say "please don't shoot me" they do not want to get into a gunfight
<5> If I'm standing over someone in a knife, surely sniper is allowed to hit me between the eyes in order to prvent the death of an innocent.
<5> Ok. What if I'm early in planning? What if I plan on killing my ex-wife next week. Is it ok to kill me then?
<2> guilty until proven innocent
<4> i like the knee caps
<4> then between the eyes
<0> jblack: in that case it would be okay for your ex-wife to have a gun and defend herself
<1> jblack: well, i'd rather you were stopped p***ively. if there was a guaranteed way. AS there may be if it is a week in advance
<5> hold up caus.. this is between fred and I.
<0> with all respect, isn't that what private chat is for
<5> But didn't you say that killing someone to prevent a murder is ok?
<4> nope
<4> dish it out in public
<4> for all to see
<1> jblack: if they are about to kill you or somebody else, yes.
<1> but a week in advance is not so much "about to kill somebody else"
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