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<0> i started out with redhat in 1997, and i have used debian and slackware and gentoo
<0> once i started to really like gentoo, all binary distros look about the same to me now
<1> causality: what distro would be your 2nd pick?\
<2> i've heard that xfce and fluxbox are quite good
<0> hard to say really
<0> well fred those are not distros
<1> heh Fred...
<1> slackware worked fine for me for ages.. but ubuntu is so simple, is why i like it
<0> one issue i have had with ubuntu, which i have mentioned before
<0> and yes this is anecdotal
<3> what do you think of FC mates?
<0> ubuntu is the one and only linux distro i have seen where apps just randomly crash like they do in windows
<0> and on that same machine, gentoo did not do this
<4> I've only seen firefox do that
<1> odd... has never happened to me yet
<0> now maybe that was a fluke or something, but it really turned me off to it
<1> has never happened to me, so i cant say ;/
<5> casuality i would get seg faults if i ran top an xterm that wasen't full screen. never ever had that happend before except on ubuntu.
<1> but in all, its a pretty nice distro
<5> plust i had to reconfigure gtk font size, fb font size, qt font size just so i could see without squinting. small complaint but it was annoying.
<2> i remember using gnome ages ago and the apps that came with it. And they crashed over the slightest thing. And people kept talking about how great linux was that the apps crashed but never took the OS down!
<0> now with gentoo, the one thing that emerge does not do is reverse dependencies
<0> so you could try to remove say, glibc, and emerge will happily do it
<1> i've ran it for 4 weeks, and have almost every package i can think off...(alot of multi-tasking) - and i havent rebooted but maybe 2 times.
<0> but a little sense will mean that is not such a problem
<0> and other tools like equery can handle revdep
<0> personally i like the "no-seatbelts" aspect
<0> but not everyone would think that is a good thing
<6> tizwonder, you do know the goal isn't to install every package possible?
<4> <- lazy.
<1> poutine: - they r removed now, the point was, to make sure my system was stable.
<0> well i just let portage take care of everything too
<0> my point was though that portage will, in most cases, happily do whatever you tell it to do, so you have to make sure you are careful what you remove
<2> how do you log out and in as a different user? i'm using knoppix, I typed logout, and nothing happened, though the logout command exists, 'cos it didnt' say "bad command.."
<0> well
<0> live CD distros often don't handle logging in the same way that they would if you had a proper installation
<7> FredPitcher2: use the user command.
<0> usually you always have root shells open etc
<7> FredPitcher2: I'm sorry . . . I meant the exit command. User is what you use within an ftp shell for the same purpose.
<0> im saying, on a live CD distro like knoppix, usually the moment you log out of a shell a new one opens up already logged-in
<0> mainly because it has no facility for storing a root p***word
<2> yeah, that is what is happening.. i was root (from su) and still am
<8> On the terminal just press Ctrl+d
<8> That causes exit to happen.
<2> I think that automatically types logout
<2> i'll try to go back into the terminal, gotta get the xwindow thing up again
<8> It's just X.
<8> Windows are those boxes drawn on X.
<2> heh, thanks
<2> are all linux GUIs just called X ?
<0> X is the underlying system
<0> very basic low-level stuff for the GUI
<8> Well, X is the most common windowing system.
<6> X11 is a protocol
<0> the window managers sit on top of that, and they actually handle drawing the windows and **** like that
<8> There are lots of window managers.
<7> But on top of it you run window managers, like fvwm, kde, gnome, etc.
<2> thanks
<2> it didn't load up, semed to just hang, no message. So I restartd, and I did CTRL+ALT+DELETE and when I do that, I always get a message "shutting down network device eth0 eth1" and it hangs there. it's not a big problem 'cos i can just reset the comp or power up the comp and it loads fine
<2> it's an unusual set up, got 2 NIs in there. one on the MBRD, one a NIC.
<9> thats not unusual
<9> thats what I have
<2> i've got it for redundancy incase of a problem
<2> i guess it is a bit pointless of me to have plugged both in though
<9> it is really silly unless both go to different networks
<9> two on the same isnt all that redundant
<10> and pointless
<11> hey Routermen
<3> i wanted to try debian i went through the download page and there were about 11 ISOs why all this huge amount of data?
<10> hello chills
<9> just d/l install cd do network install
<9> you dont ned to d/l 11 isos
<0> probably to accommodate different architectures and/or extra software and .. well did you bother to read the descriptions
<11> hey i_coded_my_girl_friend_in_C
<11> Routermen: sup
<10> but if youre installing in an offline mode .. on that case you need to make apt-get manual package update by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
<10> and comment all other source list
<10> chills: not much .. its a slow morning ..
<11> Routermen: its not morning yet here yay
<10> its not even 7 am .. and i'm already in the office
<11> Why ?
<11> early call
<10> avoiding traffic jams
<10> morning rush
<11> ah yea
<11> buy a Chopper
<10> haha
<10> my father wouldnt let me
<10> too dangerous
<11> ahh
<10> besides .. i didnt know how to ride one
<11> ah one can always learn
<10> i used to ride the commuter to go to work but today i have to bring some stuff to the office . so i have no choice but to bring my car
<11> haha
<10> and 2 days ago someone got mugged and the robber slain her troat .. right where i used to commute everyday .. so my mother is being paranoid
<11> what car do you own
<10> its a crappy produa kelisa
<11> :\ Ouch
<10> and the poor girl even managed to call her parents .. telling that she was fine .. and then the phone was cut off .. when her father tried to call he back . someone else pick up the phone saying that her daughter is dead
<11> :S
<11> ewww dude i dont wantto know this stuf
<10> well .. thats just about it . it is still in the front page of every news paper in town
<10> on*
<11> ah
<10> tragic
<11> indeed
<10> moral of the story: when people rob you .. dont fight .. just comply
<11> ah ye athat understood
<2> good to have a fake wallet
<10> fake wallet ..interesting idea :)
<11> hahaha
<2> actually.. 2 teenagers tried to mug me, by miracle it became one of my greatest moments
<11> who carries a fake walet
<10> i have a money pouch
<10> and a hand bag ..
<2> i got one of the muggers in a headlock
<10> and all my stuffs are in it
<10> except my laptop
<10> wow
<10> youre lucky you didnt get hurt
<2> was silly really.. I woudl've punched him in the head but i didn't want to piss off the other mugger
<2> which i did to an extent.. he pucnhed me on the shoulder as hard as he could.. wasn't very hard. But if i had punched his friend in the head when he was in the headlock, the other guy would've not punched me on te shoulder
<2> oddly, i got a punch below the eye, but nothing else. i wasn't really hurt
<2> it was fun.. I was very lucky they were weak and didn't have knives
<10> yeah
<10> last 2 years . i got my handbag snatched from a robber ... he was riding a motocycle .. he snatched it right of my sholder and i fell .. hurting both my knee and injuring my lip ..
<2> funny thing is.. and it's hard to believe. I was really angry beforehand and prayed for a 16 year old mugger to try and mug me. I hadn't had any attempt before. I kind of egged any mugger on by holding my wallet in my hand, it didn't take long for an attempt. Funny thing is when one of them took my wallet, i snatched it out of his hand. THey got off the train. the door was open for a long while, i was worried they'd come back on adn
<10> i lost my handphone .. my pda .. some stuffs .. and some cash
<2> Routermen: in britain, we call handbags things that women wear
<10> yeah
<10> exactly
<2> oh! i wasn't expecting that in a linux channel!
<0> it is a shame that if you seriously **** up such a person, they would then prosecute _you_
<0> they should commend you for removing an undesirable element
<0> as in, it should be understood that if you do something like mug a person, you are ***uming all risk of injury
<2> absolutely.. that was one of my motives.. I actually had my wallet
<10> i've heard funny stories like a robber tried to break in an apartment .. he broke his leg in the process and sued the home owner .. and he won..
<0> and if someone in a motorcycle tried that, i would just kick them hard and try and knock them off the bike
<2> I figured they chose me 'cos I'm about teh size of bruce lee. They didn't expect to be chased! I figured I was kind of representing anybody else my height/weight too!
<0> especially if they were not wearing full leather
<2> there was a recent funny one with a grandma that stopped a robber that broke into her home, and she did a crocodile dundee
<0> as i wear titanium-toe and titanium-shank low-top boots all of the time, even if it failed to knock them off the bike it would still hurt
<2> "that's not a knife. This is a knife! " pointing it at his chest
<2> causality: yeah , i used to do that..
<10> causality: well it happened so fast .. you didnt have time to think .. and then youre on the pavement in agonising pain ..
<0> well
<0> some people ***ume that things like that will not happen to them
<0> it is all about being aware of your environment
<2> causality: but i stopped with the steel toe caps because the paint comes off the shoes, people see the shoes are like that and they think you're a thug
<0> if you were, you would have noticed them checking you out long before the actual attempt was made
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