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<0> i honestly don't remember.
<0> so it's just one contained partition...
<0> why doesn't Linux do that?
<0> or can you make it?
<1> different philosophies
<2> Essentially, you have one partition and then slice it into pieces.
<0> wb smurfd
<1> you can resize inner partitions without a reboot, but I've yet to see a need for this
<0> what do you mean by "slice"
<1> linix, a slice is a partition which contains subdivisions or virtual partitions (ones that are not listed on the partition table)
<0> ah, virtual
<0> that's cool.
<2> I did a make clean and then rebuilt the same kernel using ccache. 11m13.7s is how long it took to compile it.
<0> DAMN.
<0> dude, what kind of hardware do you have in that box?
<3> on gentoo ccache really pays off if you ever do "emerge world"



<0> that works for me regardless
<3> although it helps with lots of things. you update the latest version of a program, most of the source files will be the same as the prior version, so ccache again helps
<0> life --emerge=world
<0> rm -rf /var/world
<2> In 2.6, running "make" will compile the bzImage and modules, right?
<3> yes
<3> well
<3> i still do make modules
<3> and make modules_install
<3> but now you just do "make" instead of "make bzImage"
<2> I should have done make bzImage and make modules then I would have known exactly what it was making.
<3> make is now the same thing as "make bzimage"
<3> other than that, and the much neater output format, there is no change
<2> linix: I used distcc to compile the kernel across two computers. One is 2.0GHz and the other is 2.17GHz.
<0> ahh
<2> So make is not the same as make all?
<3> p3nguin: i don't know 100% at the moment as i never used "make all" but i have always had to do "make modules" as well as "make"
<0> alright
<3> put it this way
<0> bbl guys
<3> in the past i used the equivalent of "make bzImage && make modules && make install && make modules_install" and now i use "make && make modules && make install && make modules_install"
<3> even though that last modules_install may be redundant, not sure.
<3> but that gets me the results i want
<2> It's my understanding that you have to use make modules_install if you want to install the modules.
<3> yes i always ***umed that also
<3> in order to not leave them out
<3> i don't actually use any regular kernel modules
<3> but i do modules_install anyway to rebuild the correct /lib/modules directory since i do use the nvidia kernel module
<3> and it needs the modules.dep file to be correct etc
<3> if not for the nvidia kernel module i would completely disable loadable modules
<3> just keep in mind though
<3> i am not sure if ccache is automatically used when you manually build
<3> you may have to configure the kernel and then emerge it
<3> meaning i don't know if it's called by emerge (as I believe so, since if you check "Features" in /etc/make.conf you will find the ccache option there) or if it actually alters say, the gcc specfile
<4> POLKA POWER HEY HEY HEY *Dances*
<3> ... that was random
<2> Okay, so the kernel is right where I started. It does not recognize my / because it is on reiserfs.
<2> Which leaves the 2.6 unbootable.
<2> I'll have to change that and redo it later.
<5> Routermen: are you around?
<6> Does anyone here knows the RHCE course ? specifically about the "Linux essentials" sub-course ?
<5> eliran: i'm not sure if you looked, but it's all here -> https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/courses/
<6> I was looking for someone's personal opinion, but I'll look there anyway, thanks.
<7> hello all
<7> hello blya!
<7> anunah!
<7> oh, i'm stupid!
<8> anyone?
<7> a!
<7> hello
<8> Hello
<7> MEDVED PREVED!!!
<7> )))
<7> who a you&
<7> ?
<8> I am using Dial-UP, but when I run iptables, net is not working in clients. When I stop iptables it works.
<8> http://pastebin.ca/122776 Here is my iptables config.
<7> i'm lamer
<7> but i'm ezhik
<7> i'm from Russia
<7> blya!!!



<7> nahyi s'ebal to? pidor!
<7> hello
<9> Thunkuu houls have replaced eth0 with ppp0
<9> ezhik: stop that.
<7> Thunkuu s'ebal otsyda
<7> what!??!
<1> http://www.yikers.com/video_amazing_racist_tricks_mexicans.html
<10> ali up yet?
<5> That video is so not funny
<5> what a ****ing racist prick
<1> Cognition, I doubt he's really racist
<5> jblack: it's like 11:00 p.m. in kuwait, people are getting ready to sleep
<10> He's been inverted lately
<5> oh right ...
<10> It's probably my fault. He'd probably sleep better if I stopped shaving my ***y legs
<5> LOL
<5> yuck, i don't even want to imagine that
<10> I wonder where the gaming industry would be if they hadn't invented breast physics
<9> jblack: still selling "simon the sorceror"
<10> pardon?
<9> http://www.adventuresoft.com/gs1.html
<9> "Originally released in 1993, Simon the Sorcerer introduced the pointy hatted teenager to your computer screens and is a cl***ic point ?n? click adventure."
<11> ngon som vet hur man avinstallerar linux
<1> no swedish
<11> okey
<1> nothing1, try this channel name + .se
<11> okey thanks
<11> how do i unistall linux, so i can get get 2 os, i have installed linux first on my computer
<5> jblack: say, how's that coffee makers website doing
<1> nothing1, it's possible you can resize the partition so you can install another OS, try qtparted or partition magic, remember to back up your important data first
<3> heh what's that saying.. there are two types of users, one which makes routine backups, and one which has never had a hard drive fail
<11> were can i get partition magic to linux?
<3> it's a proprietary program
<5> nothing1: partition magic is _not_ for linux
<3> it usually runs on its own DOS boot environment
<5> nothing1: try gparted's liveCD, that's the easiest and most convenient program to work with
<3> i have gparted installed on this machine but i have yet to need to use it
<3> how's it compare to partitionmagic ?
<3> feature-wise i mean
<5> the liveCD has the advantage with working with non-mounted partitions
<3> okay but that's not a feature comparison
<5> and it supports a lot of file systems, including ext2/3, NTFS, FAT, and others
<3> ah
<3> i am surprised you can resize ntfs but cannot write to it without using a binary driver
<5> well, that's a different story
<3> and i'd never use any partitioning tool on a mounted partition. that's just asking for trouble
<3> well yes but as someone who does not know much about filesystem design i am surprised that resizing it is trivial by comparison
<3> although i am also surprised that companies would ever store data using proprietary formats but hey.
<5> File systems in general are quite complex. NTFS and FAT are inferior in my opinion though
<3> oh i agree
<3> to me even if it were twice as fast on all performance benchmarks as ext3, i would still consider ntfs inferior due to its proprietary nature. this is because my data is valuable to me
<5> the very nature of their structure leads to disk fragmentation, an incident which you do not encounter with ext file systems, unless the drive is totally full
<3> yes i know that about the ext filesystems but i would love a high-level explanation (for someone who does not design filesystems) of how they handle fragmentation
<12> anyone here?
<10> actually, ext2/3 does suffer minor fragmentation too.
<3> well yes
<12> hey guys
<12> i need some opinion(s)
<3> that's why i asked how they handle it, not how they eliminate it
<12> i'm installing slack 10.2 on an 80gb hdd,
<12> i'm thinking of doing 3 primary partitions
<12> [1] / and /home
<12> [2] /var and /tmp
<12> [3] swap
<12> can you guys think of anything else i should create individual partitions for, if anything?
<10> causality: Moderately. When the size of a file is known it picks the smallest space that fits the whole file.
<5> i don't know what you mean by high-level explanation, but in general, it is related to the algorithms implemented. Although most algorithms use B-Trees, the way in which it is implemented in NTFS searches for the next available space, without consideration for the amount of continuous space
<10> Which doesn't do anything for files that are appended to. Such as logs.
<12> jblack: would you like to comment?
<10> Not after you flooded, no.
<12> i didn't mean to flood
<12> was just saying what i'm thinking for the partitioning
<3> and why do i see conflicting data about the "dir_index" option for ext2/3
<3> most sources say it is faster


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