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<0> ...
<0> wow
<0> is explaining the use of "ps" really this hard?
<1> who asked for an explanation ;-)
<2> what is this 'ps' everyone is talking about
<2> where do I click to get to it?
<3> ps acts differently on every box I use it on.
<0> poutine: man ps
<3> Definitely read the man page. :P
<2> Linix, man, tell me what it is...
<2> Why isn't it a woman page?
<0> because
<0> man woman
<0> Segmentation Fault (core dumped)
<2> that's linux for you
<4> hi guys :)
<3> Hi.
<4> jeian: how are you ?
<3> Alright.
<3> http://people.apache.org/~rbowen/presentations/apacheconEU2005/hate_apache.pdf <-- For anyone who runs Apache. :P
<4> jeian: did u watch that youtube video ?
<3> "that youtube video" is not particularly descriptive. I have seen many YouTube videos.
<4> jeian: i mean up in the topic
<4> jeian: do u use ubuntu ?
<3> I do not.
<4> jeian: what distru ?
<3> Debian.
<3> (I like Gentoo, but it doesn't like my laptop. :<)
<4> jeian: isn't ubuntu a debian based :0
<3> Possibly. I don't know much about it.
<5> It is.
<2> gee, it's 666KB
<2> kB
<4> eve now, there is a ubuntu certification available ??
<4> i wonder how valuable is that ?
<4> ubuntu certified professional ??
<5> It's worthless to me.
<5> Might look nice on a resume, but I don't know.
<4> p3nguin: ya, can't compare that to linux+ or lpic
<4> ubuntu is really a huge success..
<4> but dont u think that its 2 early for certifications, who knows , it may end up in no where, as the last update problem..
<4> p3nguin: how valuable is linux+ or lpic or chde certifications ?
<5> I honestly don't know.
<4> k
<2> ubuntu is all hype
<2> backed by little kids who defend their distro to the death
<1> what are the different ways of closing sshd? kill is one way, what others?
<3> That's Linux in general. :}
<2> init scripts
<3> FredPitcher2: /etc/init.d/sshd stop
<4> poutine: but can't deny it guys, ubuntu is cool
<2> it
<2> s nothing new
<3> bunora: So was Red Hat, so was Mandrake, so was every other "easy" Linux distro. Now where are they?
<5> fredpitcher2: kill, killall, pkill, service sshd stop
<1> jeian: I have no sshd file there. my sshd file is in /usr/sbin
<1> and i got an error when trying that method
<3> i_coded_my_girl_friend_in_C: Lies.
<1> p3nguin: i have no service command
<5> fredpitcher2: What's the distro?
<1> knoppix
<5> Let me boot it up and see.
<1> thanks
<2> what's wrong with killing it?
<2> that's what everything else does anyways
<3> killall -TERM sshd
<5> If it runs from the superserver it will get restarted.
<5> -TERM?? Who uses that?
<3> (Or something.)
<3> Not me. :<
<5> Here's the scoop:
<5> kill or killall's default signal is signal 15, which is SIGTERM.
<5> This means that you are wasting keystrokes to type -TERM to the kill or killall command.
<3> I knew that! _
<2> how do you get the status of a numbered PID? you kill it with signal 0, makes a ton of sense
<6> is the linux kernel under the GPL copyright?
<1> p3nguin: thanks!
<3> i_coded_my_girl_friend_in_C: Yes.
<2> i_coded_my_girl_friend_in_C, What's your guess?
<6> poutine: linus trovalds (c)
<5> knoppix is loading. Please have patience.
<5> It looks like you just use: killall -9 sshd
<1> thanks
<1> i find that killall sshd works fine
<5> The correct way to start or stop the ssh service appears to be /etc/init.d/ssh [start|stop|restart]
<5> /etc/init.d/ssh start /etc/init.d/ssh stop
<5> Calling the binary directly is not recommended.
<5> Also, if you start and stop it properly, you don't need to kill the PID.
<5> Does that help you?
<1> yeah thanks, that's fantastic
<1> i didn't realise there were 2 ssh files either
<5> What do you mean?
<5> /etc/init.d/ssh is an init script used for starting and stopping the server.
<1> i just got cut off after "what do you mean"
<1> hope i didn't miss anything
<1> oh
<5> The script calls the binary as necessary.
<5> Shall I leave the Knoppix running for more research, or may I close it down?
<1> close it down..
<1> thank you
<1> that was very helpful
<5> No problem.
<1> is there a quick way to see that it was just a script there? 'cos one wouldn't normally more an executable, to see if it is binary or a script. or is that the way?
<7> try "file"
<7> file <target file>
<7> or just use "less"
<7> less will tell you ELF data if it's a binary executable
<1> oh I see, thanks.. it seems they're almost all bourne shell scripts in that inet.d directory
<7> put another way, feel free to experiment, just don't delete or alter the file and you won't be breaking anything
<7> yes there generally should be no binaries in your init script directory
<4> what is a Payphone
<5> fredpitcher2: /etc/init.d/ directory is made just for shell scripts.
<7> bit late but yes :)
<1> yeah.. even the ones that file says are ascii, seem to be scripts too
<1> I did file *
<7> well yes, scripts are plain text files
<7> that's one thing i like very much about *nix, all the really important files are plain text and can be edited by anything
<8> causality: hasnt it always been like that? :P
<7> as opposed to windows and its binary database registry
<8> windows is horrible...
<7> the nice single point of failure
<8> only thing its neeed for is gaming :/
<7> luckily for me i am not much of a gamer
<8> what distro do you run?
<7> gentoo
<8> ah
<7> and i'm a diehard gentoo user too :)
<8> i'd love to try gentoo....
<8> but i heard even installing it... is a pain
<7> i love it, and there's almost nothing like it
<7> well when three friends of mine wanted to get into linux
<7> i started them with gentoo
<7> because sweating it out and getting the manual installation up and running helped give me lots of opportunity to teach them about how the system works
<7> now i could install gentoo in my sleep with no document or manual
<7> and i feel that i know my system really well as a result
<8> how long does the install usually take, and why does everyone run from it?
<7> because they're lazy and want an easy/fast way to do it
<7> and it can take days to build everything you want (say you want kde, openoffice, etc)
<8> ouch he
<8> heh*
<7> maybe 2 days on a fast machine
<7> although there ARE installers out there
<7> you normally do it manually with no installer
<7> and there is no default anything
<8> i've ran slackware/freebsd for nearly 3 years, and just starting using ubuntu....
<7> you pick everything you like from the ground up
<9> Hi folks.
<8> basicly debian :P
<8> os[kyle@kyle-desktop, Linux 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic x86_64]
<7> i started out with redhat in 1997, and i have used debian and slackware and gentoo
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