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<p3nguin> -rwx------ that shows it's a regular file. <p3nguin> drwxr-xr-x that shows it's a directory. <c0vert> ls <jblack> From the way the news tells it, the superbowl is today. <c0vert> wrong window loll <jblack> . <jblack> .. <c0vert> p3nguin, is that first space used for anything but showing its a dir? <c0vert> i don't even like foodball <c0vert> football* <p3nguin> brw-rw--w- that shows it's a block device <chills> people should use systems which no one else uses <chills> more secure that way <jblack> Yah. Footbal would impress me more if the players had daggers. <jblack> I could watch that <c0vert> jaja <c0vert> wtf is wrong with my typing <jblack> c0vert: The typist? <c0vert> it's because i have my wireless keyboard sitting on top of my laptop keyboard <p3nguin> crw-rw--w- that shows it's a character special device <c0vert> my laptop keyboard is messed up <p3nguin> prw-rw--w- that shows it's a FIFO <c0vert> yeah just checked /dev lots of those there <p3nguin> yep <c0vert> cd .. <c0vert> god damnit <p3nguin> So you should only see b, c, u, or p in that first bit. <jblack> Have you guys ever seen that commercial with abraham lincoln in it? <c0vert> i'm canadian, he doesn't get much attention here <jblack> You're canadian? <jblack> Does your head flap? <Interex> HEH! <c0vert> i see an l <c0vert> jblack, as much as the people from NY who live less than an hour away <jblack> Oh, you live in montreal? <c0vert> no <c0vert> i ****ing hate french people <c0vert> lol <c0vert> canadian french people that is <Interex> he lives in barrie <c0vert> not barrie, it just says that <c0vert> bell's routing ****s <Interex> ah <jblack> What other cities are by new york? <c0vert> p3nguin, what's lrx then? just means a symlink right <c0vert> google it <c0vert> :D <Interex> Lewiston? <c0vert> wtf is lewiston <c0vert> sounds american <jblack> Toronto and ottawa. <p3nguin> l is a symlink, yes. <c0vert> Toronto.. <jblack> I don't normally think of toronto being close to NY, as there's that big lake in the way. <Interex> wow i googled Barrie... and got this.. Barrie, Ontario, CanadaGay Teens with shared interests planning events and ... <c0vert> jha <c0vert> jblack, boats go in water :P <Interex> whoa! <c0vert> i took the ferry across a few times <Interex> c0vert: no ****? <jblack> c0vert: They do? WOW! <Interex> hehe :D <c0vert> well i said an hour away not an hour driving.. <jblack> Next you'll tell me that air-planes go in the air. <c0vert> if you deserve it <Interex> hah my goodness <c0vert> anyway p3nguin thanks for the lesson <p3nguin> Hopefully you'll be able to apply that information in the future. <c0vert> i already have on a few things <jblack> Actually, you do have a point c0vert. I did prefer Vancouver over Montreal. <c0vert> it's way nicer in vancouver <c0vert> canadian french people are stuck up i <c0vert> almost as much as americans. <c0vert> lol <jblack> The thing about vancouver I didn't anticipate was the incredible numbers of homeless. <c0vert> because it's on the ocean <c0vert> got floaters comming in <jblack> Yup. Its easier to avoid freezing there. <c0vert> p3nguin, unfortunatley chmoding alsamixer did not fix my initial problem :/ <c0vert> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defult: No such device <Interex> jblack: good day ;) <c0vert> only happens when i run it as a normal user <Interex> c0vert: try -c 1 <p3nguin> c0vert: You don't have a sound device. <Interex> c0vert: oh <c0vert> p3nguin, i do as root though <c0vert> lol <c0vert> alsaconf finds my card no problem <c0vert> even my pc beep controls work <c0vert> which is through my normal speakers because its a laptop <p3nguin> oh <p3nguin> root has sound? <p3nguin> chmod 662 /dev/dsp0 <c0vert> yea root has sound <c0vert> k let me try that <jblack> Changing permissions on device nodes these days might not make any sense <c0vert> i thought your dsp0 was just a sym? <p3nguin> Make sure /dev/dsp is a symlink to dsp0 <c0vert> because i don't have one lol <c0vert> ah <c0vert> k <jblack> c0vert: Look at /dev/dsp.. Ods are that its: <jblack> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jan 5 09:21 dsp <jblack> The secret is to add usrs that you want to have access to sound to the audio group. <p3nguin> :) <c0vert> /dev/dsp is alone <c0vert> no sym <jblack> changing those permissions to something you like better isn't likely to 'just work', as those devices are created on the fly at boot time.. typically hotplug/udev these days, or devfs old style <p3nguin> Does it exist? <c0vert> yep <c0vert> crw-rw <p3nguin> So it's already got the right permissions on it. Do like jblack said and add yourself to the audio group. <p3nguin> vim /etc/group <jblack> ahh, so someone is. <jblack> vigr as root, actually. <c0vert> i use nano/pico <c0vert> lol <p3nguin> yuck <c0vert> it's what i know.. <jblack> c0vert: nano/pico doesn't lock the group file before editing. Nor does plain vi. vigr will lock it and pull up vi <c0vert> ah <p3nguin> This is true, but vi or vim can still edit the file and it works properly when done. <jblack> You mean it _usually_ works properly. You're in a race condition. :) <p3nguin> Hopefully no one else on the system changes that file. <jblack> aye. <c0vert> well i know the basic vi commands so i guess i'll start using that <jblack> Anyways, these days, if you want to do whats probably the wrong thing anyways, the right way to change permissiosn for devices is to edit /etc/udev/udev.permissions <c0vert> i have udev.rules <c0vert> not .permissions <c0vert> and .conf <jblack> Pardon, /etc/udev/permissions.d/udevd.permissions <c0vert> hmm my sound subsystem just says it belongs to group audio in there <c0vert> should that change to users? <c0vert> or why would i edit it <p3nguin> Just add yourself to the audio group and see if that helps. <jblack> You should leave it alone. Not all of your potential users are where they can hear the sound card. <jblack> For example, anyone that ssh's in is probably in the user group. Do you want them playing sound files "for" you? <p3nguin> example: change audio::17: to audio::17:c0vert <jblack> c0vert: The easiest way to fix your problem is to add yourself to the audiogroup <c0vert> yes i'm doing that i just like to **** in as much knowledge as possible <jblack> You can do that safely with "addgroup c0vert audio" <jblack> then log out, and log back in <Routermen> Diary of jane rawk <c0vert> ty <p3nguin> That doesn't add a group named c0vert? <c0vert> lets see what the addgroup did to /etc/group :P <c0vert> 1 sec
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