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<p3nguin> -rwx------ that shows it's a regular file.
<p3nguin> drwxr-xr-x that shows it's a directory.
<c0vert> ls
<jblack> From the way the news tells it, the superbowl is today.
<c0vert> wrong window loll
<jblack> .
<jblack> ..
<c0vert> p3nguin, is that first space used for anything but showing its a dir?
<c0vert> i don't even like foodball
<c0vert> football*
<p3nguin> brw-rw--w- that shows it's a block device
<chills> people should use systems which no one else uses
<chills> more secure that way
<jblack> Yah. Footbal would impress me more if the players had daggers.
<jblack> I could watch that
<c0vert> jaja
<c0vert> wtf is wrong with my typing
<jblack> c0vert: The typist?
<c0vert> it's because i have my wireless keyboard sitting on top of my laptop keyboard
<p3nguin> crw-rw--w- that shows it's a character special device
<c0vert> my laptop keyboard is messed up
<p3nguin> prw-rw--w- that shows it's a FIFO
<c0vert> yeah just checked /dev lots of those there
<p3nguin> yep
<c0vert> cd ..
<c0vert> god damnit
<p3nguin> So you should only see b, c, u, or p in that first bit.
<jblack> Have you guys ever seen that commercial with abraham lincoln in it?
<c0vert> i'm canadian, he doesn't get much attention here
<jblack> You're canadian?
<jblack> Does your head flap?
<Interex> HEH!
<c0vert> i see an l
<c0vert> jblack, as much as the people from NY who live less than an hour away
<jblack> Oh, you live in montreal?
<c0vert> no
<c0vert> i ****ing hate french people
<c0vert> lol
<c0vert> canadian french people that is
<Interex> he lives in barrie
<c0vert> not barrie, it just says that
<c0vert> bell's routing ****s
<Interex> ah
<jblack> What other cities are by new york?
<c0vert> p3nguin, what's lrx then? just means a symlink right
<c0vert> google it
<c0vert> :D
<Interex> Lewiston?
<c0vert> wtf is lewiston
<c0vert> sounds american
<jblack> Toronto and ottawa.
<p3nguin> l is a symlink, yes.
<c0vert> Toronto..
<jblack> I don't normally think of toronto being close to NY, as there's that big lake in the way.
<Interex> wow i googled Barrie... and got this.. Barrie, Ontario, CanadaGay Teens with shared interests planning events and ...
<c0vert> jha
<c0vert> jblack, boats go in water :P
<Interex> whoa!
<c0vert> i took the ferry across a few times
<Interex> c0vert: no ****?
<jblack> c0vert: They do? WOW!
<Interex> hehe :D
<c0vert> well i said an hour away not an hour driving..
<jblack> Next you'll tell me that air-planes go in the air.
<c0vert> if you deserve it
<Interex> hah my goodness
<c0vert> anyway p3nguin thanks for the lesson
<p3nguin> Hopefully you'll be able to apply that information in the future.
<c0vert> i already have on a few things
<jblack> Actually, you do have a point c0vert. I did prefer Vancouver over Montreal.
<c0vert> it's way nicer in vancouver
<c0vert> canadian french people are stuck up i
<c0vert> almost as much as americans.
<c0vert> lol
<jblack> The thing about vancouver I didn't anticipate was the incredible numbers of homeless.
<c0vert> because it's on the ocean
<c0vert> got floaters comming in
<jblack> Yup. Its easier to avoid freezing there.
<c0vert> p3nguin, unfortunatley chmoding alsamixer did not fix my initial problem :/
<c0vert> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defult: No such device
<Interex> jblack: good day ;)
<c0vert> only happens when i run it as a normal user
<Interex> c0vert: try -c 1
<p3nguin> c0vert: You don't have a sound device.
<Interex> c0vert: oh
<c0vert> p3nguin, i do as root though
<c0vert> lol
<c0vert> alsaconf finds my card no problem
<c0vert> even my pc beep controls work
<c0vert> which is through my normal speakers because its a laptop
<p3nguin> oh
<p3nguin> root has sound?
<p3nguin> chmod 662 /dev/dsp0
<c0vert> yea root has sound
<c0vert> k let me try that
<jblack> Changing permissions on device nodes these days might not make any sense
<c0vert> i thought your dsp0 was just a sym?
<p3nguin> Make sure /dev/dsp is a symlink to dsp0
<c0vert> because i don't have one lol
<c0vert> ah
<c0vert> k
<jblack> c0vert: Look at /dev/dsp.. Ods are that its:
<jblack> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jan 5 09:21 dsp
<jblack> The secret is to add usrs that you want to have access to sound to the audio group.
<p3nguin> :)
<c0vert> /dev/dsp is alone
<c0vert> no sym
<jblack> changing those permissions to something you like better isn't likely to 'just work', as those devices are created on the fly at boot time.. typically hotplug/udev these days, or devfs old style
<p3nguin> Does it exist?
<c0vert> yep
<c0vert> crw-rw
<p3nguin> So it's already got the right permissions on it. Do like jblack said and add yourself to the audio group.
<p3nguin> vim /etc/group
<jblack> ahh, so someone is.
<jblack> vigr as root, actually.
<c0vert> i use nano/pico
<c0vert> lol
<p3nguin> yuck
<c0vert> it's what i know..
<jblack> c0vert: nano/pico doesn't lock the group file before editing. Nor does plain vi. vigr will lock it and pull up vi
<c0vert> ah
<p3nguin> This is true, but vi or vim can still edit the file and it works properly when done.
<jblack> You mean it _usually_ works properly. You're in a race condition. :)
<p3nguin> Hopefully no one else on the system changes that file.
<jblack> aye.
<c0vert> well i know the basic vi commands so i guess i'll start using that
<jblack> Anyways, these days, if you want to do whats probably the wrong thing anyways, the right way to change permissiosn for devices is to edit /etc/udev/udev.permissions
<c0vert> i have udev.rules
<c0vert> not .permissions
<c0vert> and .conf
<jblack> Pardon, /etc/udev/permissions.d/udevd.permissions
<c0vert> hmm my sound subsystem just says it belongs to group audio in there
<c0vert> should that change to users?
<c0vert> or why would i edit it
<p3nguin> Just add yourself to the audio group and see if that helps.
<jblack> You should leave it alone. Not all of your potential users are where they can hear the sound card.
<jblack> For example, anyone that ssh's in is probably in the user group. Do you want them playing sound files "for" you?
<p3nguin> example: change audio::17: to audio::17:c0vert
<jblack> c0vert: The easiest way to fix your problem is to add yourself to the audiogroup
<c0vert> yes i'm doing that i just like to **** in as much knowledge as possible
<jblack> You can do that safely with "addgroup c0vert audio"
<jblack> then log out, and log back in
<Routermen> Diary of jane rawk
<c0vert> ty
<p3nguin> That doesn't add a group named c0vert?
<c0vert> lets see what the addgroup did to /etc/group :P
<c0vert> 1 sec


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