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<0> Linux became something consumers knew
<0> and not just a hacker term
<1> why didn't they do that with BSD instead?
<0> "Oh yeah Linux. I dont know what it is, but IBM does it"
<2> IBM does do BSD too
<0> It has to do with BSD's development architecture
<0> Linux is just a kernel
<2> but the problem with BSD is that the community is very fragmented
<0> they could do like Apple did and fork some BSD kernel and make it their own
<0> but then it'd just be ANOTHER BSD fork.
<0> Linux can be packaged up into any disto you want, make your own, whatever, and its still the same linux kernel underneath. :D
<0> it works out better for places like IBM to brand it as theirs
<0> and plus Linux is trendy right now
<2> also, it was more advantegous for IBM to go with linux, because quite a bit of the AIX userland could be repackaged and dropped into linux
<0> yeah
<0> AIX code was extremely easy to port over to Linux
<2> linux also enable IBM to combine the development streams of the 390 and AIX developer communities
<2> and that hadn't happened in a long time
<2> LVM came from IBM
<0> yeah
<2> jfs was the first filesystem I knew of that supported journaling
<0> and Hypervisor technology.
<2> IBM was also the first vendor to contribute a complete Java development env for linux
<0> I think Apple made a boo-boo dropping IBM in favor of Intel
<0> yeah, I remember that.
<2> me too
<0> IBM just released the G6 processor
<0> and it runs cool enough to go mobile without a special mobile edition.
<0> I bet Steve Jobs went "****! **** **** ****!"
<0> and IBM's Cell Processor is just ****ing amazing.
<0> the PS3 will have a TON of computing power
<2> if Apple were to go with anyone other than IBM, I wish he would have gone with AMD Opterons
<1> Cell will be used in more than just PS3, right?
<0> yeah
<0> there's plans on having it replace ARM architecture in many products
<0> and it's gonna go into a lot of high-end electronics equipment
<0> like synthesizers
<2> personally, I wished they'd continue to offer both lines.
<2> I guess I'll have to go big blue to get a G6
<0> http://www.ibm.com/news/us/en/2005/01/patents.html
<0> well, the G6 will likely not be offered in any PCs we know of
<0> Lenovo will continue to make Intel-based machines
<0> It's really too bad OS/2 was not popularized
<2> I know. :/
<0> It was a real solid product back in 1995
<0> It had the stability that Windows just now has achieved.
<2> it was pretty clean and innovative
<0> and most of the same API. heh
<2> the CORBA backend was way ahead of its time
<0> yeah
<0> and amazing and efficient too
<2> only thing was that it kind of had too much geek factor--it wasn't pretty
<0> yeah
<0> they needed better artists
<0> but Windows 95 wasn't exactly beautiful now that you look back on it
<0> hehe
<2> and back then, IBM had too much of a "take it or leave it" attitude
<2> true.
<0> well IBM hadn't tried to dominate the desktop market
<0> they saw OS/2 as a "professional" OS
<2> I know. they gave it away--literally to MS
<0> yeah
<0> dumb. :P
<2> several of the ppl I worked with were on those OS/2 teams
<2> well, it was partially calculated
<0> its okay, I think IBM and Dell will be the two big players in putting Linux on the desktop.
<0> when it's ready
<2> congress was threatening to break up IBM back then
<0> yeah I remember that.
<2> IBM gave MS the tools market with the understanding that IBM would keep the OS market
<3> PC...
<2> Levano seems to be pretty good for IBM
<2> kind of like Gerstner
<0> yeah
<0> Lenovo was a smart move on IBM's part
<2> so, jawbin, what have you been up to?
<0> oh and funny other stuff... http://zestyping.livejournal.com/176763.html
<2> he seems to be pretty forward thinking too
<2> and it looks like he's actually trying to return IBM to its early 1980s glory days :)
<0> he?
<2> Levano isn't a guy?
<0> umm
<0> Maybe we're talking about two separate things
<0> Lenovo is the company IBM spun off to manufacture IBM PCs and Thinkpads
<2> oh. was talking about the CEO
<0> ah
<0> hehehe
<2> :)
<0> Sam Palmisano is the CEO
<2> so that's what IBM did with the Thinkpads
<0> yeah
<0> they even are still branded as IBM for the time being
<2> when I was there, Thinkpads were made in NC
<3> just then i went out...heh..
<2> they had made some deals with Dell, and then Dell put the screws to IBM
<0> Dell is a good company IMO
<0> and with their recent support for Linux
<0> they're even better. :)
<2> well, it's ok. I'm not too fond of them
<0> http://linux.dell.com/
<2> I used to be more fond of them
<0> everyone here in austin loves them
<2> they used to be almost anti-linux
<0> yeah
<0> well
<0> they were forced to be by Microsoft
<2> well, a lot of them do
<0> MS said "You either promote windows and only windows or we stop selling you windows."
<2> I have a cousin in Austin who worked for Dell
<0> but now that Dell is a big boy of it's own... they've told MS ...**** you.
<1> Z: do you have one of those new Titanium Thinkpads?
<0> You stop selling us Windows and your own profit margins go down the floor.
<0> nope
<0> I have an older one I use for work.
<0> "older"
<0> hehe
<0> still a T40... good enuf.
<0> wouldn't mind a newer one
<2> I'm still bothered that Dell has such weak support for AMD64
<0> well Dell is very locked into Intel
<0> and switching their manufacturing plants might cost a bundle to deal with AMD stuff.
<2> which is why I'm really locked against them
<0> I'd personally never buy a Dell
<0> just because I build my own stuff
<0> but I think they're a decent company
<2> Dell's service ahs also gone down
<0> well they keep hiring idiot college kids.
<2> due to quite a bit of offshoring of its tech support
<0> and that
<0> people are learning that there are just some things you can't really offshore
<2> it's not that offshoring necessarily has to be a bad thing
<2> my wife used to work for Sykes in the Philippines
<0> hehe
<2> the Philippines is often known of as the land of call centers ;)
<2> it's highly profitable there
<2> one big problem that I have with Intel is that they don't treat their customers the same everywhere
<0> yeah
<0> hmm
<2> here in the US, in Canada, and in most of Europe (except possibly Russia)
<2> if you have a problem with an Intel part, then you can expect to receive a replacement within anywhere from a day to a week
<0> yeah
<0> jesus, I had no idea all these patents existed
<2> in most of Asia and Africa (and I think some other places), Intel expects their customers to wait at least 6 months
<0> that's freaky
<0> US5659730 Computerized index file interrogation and comparison
<0> US5659728 System and method for generating uniqueness information for optimizing an
<0> SQL query
<0> LOL
<2> even worse, Intel expects the customer to ship his/her part first and to accept any replacement--including refurbished parts
<0> US5680603 Method and apparatus for reordering complex SQL queries containing inner
<0> and outer join operations
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