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<0> Be less 2004.
<1> firefox has a cool extension that lets you view the current URL in a new tab with IE's rendering IN FIREFOX
<1> (so cool) *swoon*
<0> Why the hell would you want that?
<2> this displays well in Firefox
<2> I've tested it under IE4,5.01,5.5,6.0,7.0, Firefox, NS7 :P
<1> Rethguals: some pages only render properly in IE. it's also useful for testing web design
<0> Either way; it's a nice page, but ... it's always going to be plain.
<0> It's a cl***ic layout. Might as well be Any Blog.
<2> hmm
<1> looks fine. simplicity is a virtue
<3> in this day and age is usually impossible to be really uh ...
<0> All I'd say is that if it's not a blog, make it less blog like.
<3> unique.... and still be useful
<3> there are too many people in this world for every person to have his own unique webpage
<2> it's not a blog; how would I achieve a less blog-like appearance?
<3> I think that trying to fight being cliche is useless since it's impossible
<3> well, I think teh blog-like ness comes from the text
<3> if you put non-blog-like things in the body it would appear so :P
<0> I know as many graphic artists as my friends fiance allows me to, and they would laugh at your suggestion that everything has to look stale.
<3> I never said anything has to look stale
<3> I said everything can't look unique... there is a difference
<3> I mean, seriously, how many vastly DIFFERENT layouts can you come up with?
<0> Er, yeah... yours is even more specific.
<3> sure
<3> web pages that have a menu of things you can look at can only be arranged so many ways
<3> you can have 1 menu with content, a menu with a sub-menu, and the permutations of possibilities are not so many
<3> your menu and sub-menu can be vertical and vertical, or vertical and horizontal, whatever
<0> Not really.
<3> lol -- ok, let's look over some popular sites
<3> slashdot -- menu on the left. somewhat folder, like, items have sub-items
<3> fark.com, menu on the left. items have sub-items
<0> No, let's go to a site like CSS Zen Garden, or read a design blog like Mezzo Blue.
<2> www.themaninblue.com | www.simplebits.com | www.microformats.org
<3> digg.com. menu on the top. some things on the right too
<3> themaninblue. menu on the top. some things on the right
<3> simplebits. menu on the top. some things on the right
<0> If you want to know about web design, go to sites for web designers.
<3> .... those ARE sites for web designers :P
<3> I challenge you to point me to a site that doesn't have a layout I've already seen ebfore. excepting Flash/Shockwave stuff
<3> every layout you propose, I've already seen it. does changing the colors / font /background make a site that different?
<3> (simplebits has a new layout again -- neat)
<3> http://www.webpagesthat****.com/ (#1 link google search for 'web design') -- menu on the left, menu items have sub-items
<3> http://www.wpdfd.com/ -- #2 hit for google. this page actually has a unique design. whoopee!
<0> Your attitude is philistine. You'd look at the Mona Lisa and go "It's a picture of a face".
<3> #3 hit http://www.oswd.org/ ... menu on the left, some things on the top
<3> no... I'm fighting against the notion that every web page should strive to be the mona lisa
<4> just use plain HTML
<4> it'd make things to much easier to read
<3> it's OK for tequilla's home page to be the analogy of "some picture of a face". he doesn't have to try to make his webpage the AMAZING web page equivalent of the Mona Lisa, and doing so is a waste of his time
<4> Xiphoris, can i ask you something?
<1> Illuminatus: not for the blind
<4> octothorpe, i don't care about the blind
<1> then i don't care about your opinion
<4> Xiphoris, what's the deal with Mona Lisa?
<3> his page is clean and accessible, and that's, I think, totally sufficient.... the notion I'm fighting is that everyone should be amazing and unique and individual. there is nothing wrong with being normal :P
<0> Xiph: maybe... but I was doing my best to answer his question.
<4> she's ugly as hell and has always been
<3> sure... I'm not saying you have to agree with me... this is just my opinion =P
<4> what's his url
<4> i wanna see
<3> like, let's say you wanted to write a 2-page short story on something... how easy would it be to come up with something that hasn't been done before?
<2> well, if it's not much more effort to get the layout looking less like a blog, I wouldn't mind: the content should hopefully give lessen that vibe
<2> Illuminatus: http://www.xystic.com/layout.jpg
<3> I mean, any story you can write has probably been done before, and better...
<0> Xiph: We have different ideas about what it means for it not to be done before.
<3> does that mean your writing has no value? :(
<3> ah, maybe
<4> looks good to me
<4> clean and readable
<3> it does look like a blog though
<3> remember http://www.livejournal.com/~pyxl :P
<1> maybe it's just the colour scheme?
<4> what if it IS a blog?
<4> lol
<3> I like the layout though...
<4> webpages should never be too contrasting
<3> http://www.htmlhelp.com/ <-- too simple
<3> http://www.webstyleguide.com/ <-- that looks nice
<4> so simple, their DNS is down
<4> can't get to it
<0> Those are nice colours.
<3> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html
<4> yeah it's good
<4> very soft
<2> the background _could_ be less plain I guess...
<2> Rethguals: webstyleguide, or mine?
<0> Your colours.
<4> pyxl is a terrorist
<4> nice
<0> Personally, I think webstyleguide makes bad use of space and good use of fonts.
<0> I dislike the background colour, and actually the existence of, that panel on the right.
<2> I haven't found a layout (and colour scheme) I've liked more than microformats.org
<0> Heh. microformats.org reminds me of the "Oak" theme for XP, which I use quite a lot.
<3> me neither -- with the exception of xiphoris.com
<0> I actually hate it.
<3> sweet :)
<3> I met both design goals then.
<3> you could always use the "retro" look :P
<4> ew
<4> :P
<0> Yeah. I don't get the black background thing. rhw said he uses that. What a nut job.
<0> *His* new website looks nice though.
<2> URL?
<3> it's easier on my eyes
<3> looking at black-on-white is like staring at a light bulb
<3> I want the screen as dim as possible by default, and for text to stand out
<0> I think rhw's going to ignore me now until the site goes live :)
<4> i hate mirc
<4> why won't it use DEFAULT system colors
<5> khaled's not so great with the windows stuff, heh
<5> at least it has utf8 support finally... should only be a few more versions before it can use system colors
<4> is there any way to force all windows to be drawn a certain way?
<3> of course not
<3> not all windows are drawn with common controls
<3> especially things like web browsers and IRC clients
<2> Khaled doesn't use Uniscribe...
<3> mIRC's channel box (as well as most IRC clients) use a custom-written control, which draws its own fonts, etc.
<4> that idiot
<4> ugh
<3> consider even selection -- mIRC doesn't support it
<3> you hilight your selection, mIRC auto-copies it, then the selection goes away
<4> i'll buy the argument about web browsers, but mirc looks pretty winapi-ish to me
<5> selection?
<3> ya -- select text
<5> ah, doesn't support it in that way, heh
<3> web browsers and mIRC both use Windows to render fonts
<3> but they both say something like "Draw 12 pt verdana here"
<3> winapi can't intercept that and instead change it to "32 point fixedsys"
<5> teq: he uses it in the latest mirc, at least
<2> he does? :o
<2> I thought he was doing all that stuff himself... interesting
<5> aye, 6.17 can read/send utf8
<2> ah... well, that doesn't mean he is using unscribe to render it... right? i.e. he could be using TextOut and incorrectly (for complex scripts) determining word-breaking etc
<5> ah, misread... dunno what uniscribe is, heh
<0> mIRC is an awful peice of crap.
<5> xchat 2 ain't much better
<4> very descriptive of you, Rethguals
<0> I use about five percent of the functionality in mIRC, and yet hate every single bit of that 5%.
<0> Like, "Find" doesn't work.
<5> it doesn't?
<0> The stupid ****er broke that in the recent version. It only works if you don't use the "Display windows on desktop" option.
<5> heh
<0> ...and even if it did work, the interface for clearing history is retarded.
<5> stop bitching and write something, then ;p
<5> ./cls ?
<2> Rethguals: what do you think of www.klient.com ?
<0> No, on the find dialogue. I don't actually use it, but it took me about a decade to figure out what the small lump above the combo did.
<0> I haven't tried it.
<2> ah well, seems it's down; but it's a better IRC client with a modern UI
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