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<0> scalar: it looks like that yes. Nothing much that I care about is very visible... but what did I want?
<1> and noone will spend $100 more just because thats the version which supports EFS
<0> cehteh: Companies will.
<1> (aside from features they dont need)
<0> There are seven versions of Vista, most of which work on either 32 or 64bit systems.
<0> There's a price range to choose from.
<1> from what i read i would consider the basic and home editon unuseable even for basic and home use
<0> People who are able to physically secure their systems don't need the feature you're talking about. If they do, they have a choice of three versions to use.
<0> cehteh: We'll see.
<0> I don't really want a marketing discussion, because neither of us know much about that.
<1> this 3 versions cost much more
<1> well i wont use vista anyways
<0> ?
<0> What's that? ?
<0> .78
<0> $55.94
<0> Damn US peseta.
<1> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9000829 i actually think the article is bull**** .. his reasonings are quite wrong .. but at the bottom is a feature list for the vista versions look at that
<0> Bottom of that page?
<0> Or of page 13?
<1> print-view :)
<1> on some magazines the print view should be actually the default view G*
<1> at least thats often the way i read articles
<1> look .. if you want fax and scan you need to buy the business edition .. but outch .. no DVD burning then ...
<0> That doesn't include the 'N' versions, nor the emerging markets version.
<1> they dont count for us or?
<1> what N?
<0> N == no media player.
<0> Stupid EU version.
<1> ok that counts
<1> but i dont consider GB as emerging market
<0> I suspect Germany's OK too.
<1> well the non media-player is prolly the most stupid trade settlement the EU ever mad
<1> e
<0> Yeah. Especially since it's an update available from MS Update.
<0> I really don't have a problem with charging for features :)
<1> i saied that too ... if they like ... the problem i have is that security features should be considered special means every even the most basic version should include ALL state of the art securtiy features
<0> You mentioned DVD burning though.
<0> ...and I kind of consider security to be different from protection.
<0> ...but even so, I see your point.
<1> i saied that fax / scanning are mutally exclusive with dvd burning
<0> Of course, I'll run Ultimate... but the cost of XP Pro is about . ***ume Ultimate is 1.5x that (hopefully an over-estimate)... is a small amount.
<0> cehteh: I've never used my fax machine.
<0> I think it's something you only use in business.
<1> if you want both (and only that both else a home edition might suffice) then you have to buy the ultimate edition
<1> i hardly tell that as paying for feature
<0> Nothing stopping you from downloading free fax software, of course.
<0> I actually have no idea what the Windows Fax crap looks like, but I expect it to be terrible.
<1> example my wife, we have a home office and she uses her pc for business and hobby
<0> I expect most people will use whatever comes with their printer/fax machine/yadda.
<1> well i dont expect anything else ..
<1> but there are some more of such mutally exclusive features
<0> ...but it /does/ seem sensible to me to divide features into buseness and home, and to think of fax as a business feature.
<1> some one never need some one would miss
<0> encore en anglais, sil vous plait? :)
<0> Businesses do not need: Parental controls, Media Centre, DVD Movie authoring.
<1> Windows Anytime Upgrade << wahts that btw? forced upgrade from Big Brother?
<0> Dunno. It wouldn't be a feature if it was :)
<0> Hell, the existing Windows Update is already as annoying as it can be :P
<1> apt-get update .. lala
<0> Hahahahaha
<0> Microsoft Update is better than that :P
<0> ...and often smaller.
<1> hey moment ... consider that this updates ALL software you have installed
<1> applications too
<0> Microsoft Update updates all MS software.
<1> exactly
<0> I get the point though.
<1> apt updates all ... java .. foreign sources etc
<0> The problem is that I value the choice Windows gives me.
<1> and security updates on debian are usually faster available than windows security updates
<1> (again for all software)
<0> ...but there are more of them and they're larger.
<1> which version do you run? sarge, etch, sid?
<1> on debian stable (sarge) they are only moderately sized
<1> etch and sid have no security updates ...
<1> development versions dont need that
<0> Sarge.
<0> In March, I downloaded 32MB of updates.
<0> ... I download every month, after updating my Windows machines.
<1> heh how big was the unified intel driver pack for centrino chipsets? 80MB?
<0> What the **** is that?
<1> so really off now .. karin is back cu
<0> Have fun. Give my regards to your wife :)
<2> hi all
<2> where i can download C++ program?
<3> www.google.com
<2> ^Paul^ what i must write to edit in google for find C++ progra?
<0> I thought you were merely trolling.
<0> Now I realise you're actually stupid.
<3> 'find me a C++ program please mr. google'
<0> Who was it that made the point about sign languae between English speaking countires?
<0> I think it was Zenethian.
<0> Zenethian: I've been watching signed programmes since then. I can't figure out how names are decided upon. How does ASL work?
<4> Yes.
<4> names?
<4> names are usually spelled out
<0> So, "Doncaster" would be written in letters?
<0> I'll watch for that.
<0> Is there a way I can watch ASL signed programmes?
<4> yeah
<4> and the order of words comes differently
<4> hmm
<4> I'm not sure. Sadly the Deaf have very little rights here in America. American broadcasting prefers Closed Captioning to displaying a signer
<4> In ASL there are also placeholder nouns, similar to pronouns
<0> Frankly, it's not obvious why the BBC have signed programmes, and they're not online.
<4> where after describing a certain person, the signer then points a certain random direction, and then from then on during the conversation, when they point that direction again, they refer back to that noun.
<0> British Sign Language looks like a fairly obvious translation.
<4> well one thing to remember is that sign language does not represent the native language of the area either, that it is a fully autonomous language
<0> Hmmm...
<4> it can't be translated word for word
<4> it has to be interpreted
<4> for example in English we might say "We're going to the market tomorrow" but ASL would say "market, tomorrow we go"
<4> and in ASL "Because" is deprecated in favor of quick rhetorical questions.
<0> I should learn BSL properly. It doesn't look hard.
<4> and the nature of the movements allow for verbs to be directional
<4> So not only do you sign the verb, but the way you move your hands while doing it can convey different meaning.
<4> sign language is faster to speak than english. it's similar to writing and speaking in Japanese or Chinese. A single symbol represents an entire word, and how you say it influences it's meaning.
<4> for example to say that I need to give you something, I would make a certain sign and then move it from me towards you. And if I wanted to say that you need to give me something, it's the exact same sign but the opposite motion.
<0> ...but, how is that different from 'me' and 'you'?
<4> because me and you are also distinct nouns as well
<4> there is a distinct sign for me, and one for you
<4> but neither were used in that context
<0> Hrm.
<4> it would be like instead of me saying "Hey, you should come to lunch with me" I said "Lunch" and pointed at you, then pointed at me.
<4> nobody does that when speaking (well, most nobody, I'm sure a few people somewhere have before) but in signed languages it's very common.
<0> It's still interesting. Intuitively, I would want to sign "Lunch with me?"
<4> yeah
<0> Or maybe just Lunch?
<4> not sure entirely. =)
<4> I'm still learning hehe
<0> Still the opposite focus though: In conversation, I'd say "You want lunch?", which is an entirely different emphasis :)
<0> So maybe I've gone Tarzan without reason :)
<4> yeah
<4> haha
<4> interesting... the football huddle was invented by Gallaudet University (the only major university for the deaf at least in America) because other players were learning to read sign language to see what they were saying. lol
<0> It's the wrong time to be pretend there's a football huddle. The World Cup starts next Friday :)
<4> lol
<4> American Football, that is.
<4> SlightlyCriminal: see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signed_English
<0> Are you learning deliberately?
<4> as in, am I taking a cl***?
<4> I am registered for a cl***, but it doesn't start until september
<0> Bah. I thought BSG season 3 started tonight. Seems it was a restart of season 2.
<4> heh
<0> Huh... I had no idea that Jamie Bamber sounded nearly-English in real life.
<5> yo fu
<6> fu yo. :)
<0> Fu came back from a split.
<0> **** you guys.
<0> :)
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